The time frame for this question is the early 1950’s. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 23 RR’s whose passenger trains crossed over the Mississippi River. Exclude the UP whose trains I’d consider as belonging to another road when they crossed the river on the last leg of their route to Chicago. Name as many of these 23 roads as you can.
Mark
1.IC 2. CBQ 3. NW 4. Wabash 5. NKP 6. RI 7. SLSF 8. ATSF 9. CNW 10. SP 11. SSW 12. MP 13. MILW 14. MKT
that’s all I can think of now.
I came up with 24 and they are the following
1 IC 2 CB&Q 3 GN 4 NP 5 C&NW 6 CGW 7 CRI&P 8 CMSTP&P 9 NYC 10 PRR 11 B&O 12 SOU
13 L&N 14 WAB 15 StLSW 16 SP (T&NO) 17 GM&O 18 MP (T&P) 19 Cotton Belt 20 AT&SF
21 SOO 22 IT 23 KCS 24 NKP 25 N&W
Al - in - Stockton
StLSW and the Cotton Belt are the same railroad
I thought it was time for an easier question but didn’t think this one would be all that easy for you guys. Michael, by NW I assumed you meant the CNW and not the Norfolk and Western. You were the first to name the majority of the roads so for that reason and also since I don’t think you’ve had a chance to ask a history question before I’ll declare you the winner.
Al, you completed the list but a couple of minor corrections are in order. The N&W shouldn’t be included since it didn’t gain a Miss River crossing until the 1960’s when it absorbed the Wabash and NKP. Also the MoPac and the T&P were separate operating entities during the 1950’s and both had their own trains that crossed the Miss so they should be listed separately. Michael, the same holds true for the SSW and the SP.
I purposely excluded the Southern because I thought its passenger service into St. Louis may have been discontinued prior to 1950. I know for a fact that by mid-1954 it didn’t run west of Louisville. I also thought of the C&EI but think it discontinued service between Chicago and St. Louis prior to 1950.
Mark
Does this mean it’s time for a new and possibly easier question? - a.s.
Since it is my turn, here’s a simple question: Name most or all of the special painted UP units and heritage locomotives.
I can’t give you individual locomotive numbers but think there’s one each painted in the colors of the MoPac, MKT, CNW, SP and D&RGW making a total of five units. There may be a sixth painted in the livery of the WP but I’m not sure of that.
Mark
you didn’t name all of them. not just the Heritage units, but the Sd40s, es44s, etc…
Did someone mention M&StL in the Miss River Crossings? Or am I just getting blind in my old age?
No.
In the 1950’s the N&W didn’t go west of Cincinnati…what train of their went across the Miss?. Wouldn’t a lot of those that crossed at St.L. be tenant’s ala the UP on Milw and C&NW?
Did C&EI sneak-in on TRRA, A&S, IT or Manufacturer’s?
Did Frisco sneak across the river to hook-up via A&S?
Yes, there’s a WP and a Bush 41, but that’s not technically a “heritage”. They also did a pair of non-heritage units for the Salt Lake City winter Olympics. There was an SD40-2 for Desert Storm - don’ know if it’s still roaming around in cammo, tho’.
Hmmm… Can’t think of any more.
The Desert Storm unit was long since restored to original paint (and may no longer be around). UP also repainted a couple of units for the 1996 Olympics, but they too were restored to their original paint. SD40-2 3300 has been floating around in a special blue paint scheme for United Way.
I’m not sure what’s meant by “Heritage” units, because there were only the six of those in the special paint schemes. However, the questioner may have a 2008 UP calendar in front of him…[;)]
Good call Route Rock. The M&StL did indeed have passenger service between Okaloosa and Peoria that crossed the Mississippi though I think that by 1950 it was down to just a mixed train.
Mark
MC,
I purposedly limited my question to passenger trains because I wasn’t really sure of the situation at St.L and NO. I think the freight trains of the roads that served both cities stopped at one side or the other of the Miss and cross river movements were by trains of the TRRA and NOPB. There may have been exceptions but I really don’t know.
Mark
Since CShave got most of units, it’s his turn.
There were six SD70ace heritage units, SD70ace GW 4141, The UP GE painted unit, the United Way loco(heard it was sitting in Fort Worth, Desert Storm(probably gone), and the SD70m and Sd40-2 duos painted for the 2002 and 1996 Olymipics.
Anyone else qualified to ask a question after that one? As a UP employee, I should have disqualified myself. Someone else is welcome to a turn.
Well with an invitation like that. Let me know if this question is out of line as the original post on this thread talked about dates. I’ll see if I can do this without making it too hard or too easy.
I was the last locomotive to officially carry the colors of my original home road after a major-merger. The unique thing is that I went to scrap in this fresh coat of paint, after wearing it for only about 3 months. This was about 8 years after the merger! I was painted into this scheme from the new merged colors. My locomotive class was the last to carry the original home road colors of one of the other parent companies involved in the merger. Final hint, one of the OTHER parent companies owned zero locomotives of my class coming into the merger.
What specific loco am I? Make, model, Roadname, number.