Leave passenger railroads out then; name at least one currently-operating electric freight railroad west of the Mississippi.
Now what do I do? Answer the question I meant to ask?
OK.
- The Deseret Power Railway in Utah and Colorado. It hauls coal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deseret_Power_Railway
- The Iowa Traction Railway. It hauls general freight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_Traction_Railway
- The Navajo Mine Railroad. It hauls coal. Although I believe this is not presently running, the track and overhead wires are all intact. I drove on a highway parallel to this track last year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo_Mine_Railroad
Since I am not a railroad expert, I am unaware of any others if they exist.
Yes - it was the Crystal River & San Juan RR.
Bingo, Mike!!!
Gives me an excuse to link to one of my favourite railroad related photos.
https://www.shorpy.com/node/14494
Cheers, the Bear.[:)]
True camelback, where the cab straddles the boiler.
Close but no cigar. You are partially right, but you missed the country in which they were first operated (which could also technically be the country in which it was made.)
Technically the Crystal River RR is NOT the Crystal River & San Juan, which was the last-mile connection into Marble.
And what about the Treasury Mountain Railway?
Neither of these things ought to disqualify him from answering for a day, etc. etc. Rules for this game aren’t at all like the quizzes on Classic Trains and they take some getting used to.
The Crystal River RR ceased operation somewhere around 1919, but was later leased to the CR&SJ RR, which operated the line from Carbondale to Marble until its closure in 1941. Both railroads belonged to the CF&I, so while legally independent entities, the could be seen technically as one, clearly in the years after the CS&SJ RR took over the operation.
I only bring the issue up because some of the references for the Marble operations clearly distinguish the two, with the CR&SJ being the only one actually entering Marble (which was the form of the question)
Ownership by Colorado Fuel & Iron doesn’t make them the same thing, any more than ownership of a majority of B&O or LV by PRR (or an attempt to set up Pennroad as a kind of competition to the van Sweringens) would make the roads part of the Pennsylvania.
And what about Treasury Mountain Railway, which at least one reference says was a route directly out of Marble to connecting railroads?
Name a famous luxury automobile powered by an engine designed for a rail vehicle. Then name a rail vehicle powered by an engine designed for a famous luxury automobile.
Geez Dave, this has sorely tested the Bears brain cell. So many names, and for that matter, definitions for a particular type of locomotive! I went down so many dead ends and came across so much, even though it may have been only slight, conflicting information, that it was doing my head in!! [banghead][banghead] Saw a lot of weird and wonderful locomotives, though!!
Refreshed after a nights kip, and primed with a couple of morning coffees, I’ve come up with the following.
The following is quoted from The Railway and Locomotive Historical Society Bulletin, No. 52 (May, 1940), “The Development of the Anthracite-Burning Locomotive” by Paul T. Warner.
“Engine 408 proved successful, and was followed by others
I’ll give it to you, according to Holton’s history of the Reading, the engine was a conventional 4-6-0 sent to Italy to demonstate the Wooten firebox (Italy has anthracite). The engine with the cab on the top of the firebox was too tall to fit through the tunnels so the engineer and fireman moved the cab to the running boards ahead of the firebox, creating the first Camelback. It operated in Italy and was shipped back to the US, where the reconfigured cab allowed bigger engines to operate through lower tunnels over here.
If you like that one, what year were camelbacks outlawed by the ICC?
Time to throw a written hand grenade into the discussion and then beat a hasty retreat!!
According to one, and don’t ask me which one it was, “authoritative account”, Camelbacks weren’t actually banned!
Cheers, the Bear. [:)]
Very good! It was a trick question, they weren’t banned, the ICC looked at it but the railroads had already stopped building them so no action was taken.
Sorry I’m late again. Ten wheelers are correct. The CM also used Consolidations and 0-6-0s.
Not as much of a trick question as you think. The ICC did ban new construction of Mother Hubbards in 1927 (for a number of the logical ‘safety-related’ reasons) but didn’t outlaw continuing the use of existing ones (as a different test of ‘safety’ would apply).
Reason for the ban, as I recall, was a prospective order of larger, modern engines (I think for delivery in 1928) which were not built as such ‘in the event’.
You can track through the actions more easily if you look a bit slantwise at accounts of other ICC actions peripheral to this one; as with the ICC Order that actually re-imposed strict ATS over 79mph in the wake of the Naperville collision, you see lots of reference to it without anyone actually quoting a definitive Federal Register text. But it is mentioned both in the discussion of imposing power reverse requirements (effective in the mid-Thirties) and stoker requirements above certain nominal size…
Here’s a different question: when was the first steam-locomotive-powered trip through the North River PRR tunnels?
I believe this is also mentioned in the Pennoyer Locomotives In Our Lives book. I couldn’t remember the specific details of the Italian testing, only that it was in Italy, so said nothing.
(Incidentally if anyone wants a PDF of the Warner article, PM with your e-mail address. I now have Holton’s 1979 article on Wootten and the Reading shops, too.)
I think I maybe barking up the wrong tree, if in fact do Bears bark up trees? But here’s the shot gun approach, though only using a single barrel.
Pierce-Arrow were known as makers of luxury cars especially prior to the 1930s, five were converted by the Rio Grande Southern into railcars, nicknamed the Galloping Goose. (Geese???)
The German company Maybach-Motorenbau GmbH. started making luxury cars, and automobile engines in 1919, and engines for railcars, though to be fair, it would appear that they, more often than not, were diesels.
In their early days, the British company Wolseley built luxury cars, and I see that in 1905, GE used a Wolseley engine to power their test gas electric, which became Delaware & Hudson doodlebug #1000.
Cheers, the guessing Bear.[:)]
Ok… What EMD locomotive engineer said In planing the GP I had two dreams. The first was to make a locomotive so ugly in appearance that no railroad would want it on the main line or anywhere near headquarters, but would keep it out as far as possible in the back country, where it could do really useful work. My second dream was to make it so simple in construction and so devoid of Christmas-tree ornaments and other whimsy…"
Larry - he was successfull on both accounts. In my personal view, the last nice looking engine - aside from steam engines - were the F´s. Whatever came after that, is outright ugly!