Ran 1st Train Today

After 3 years (2 1/2 years planning) I ran an 0-6-0 with 3 cars on one of the mains. (that is all that is in). this included the trip up the 2% no-lix.
Found that no matter how careful you are Murphy will get you.

  1. #6 Atlas turnout FROG popped up enough to derail a car
  2. A little to much caulk fouled some track
  3. Some dips and kinks in the flex to fix
  4. Need to power the frogs, 0-4-0 stalled at most of them, the 0-6-0 had no issue at road speed (30 mph) died at switch speed ( 6mph)
  5. Running under DC no buss wire just track and solder joints no major slow down on the route. This gave a good test on the solder joiints and rail joiners.
    This route is 105 ft long (shortest on the layout).
    Next is to run the A&N main which is 351 ft long.
    All in all a good test, thanks to the forum for helping get this far.[:D]

C-o-n-g-r-a-t-u-l-a-t-i-o-n-s-!!

The early items are, as you say, standard Murphy fare - Deep down, you probably already really knew where at least some of the kinks were, but you hoped for the best anyway… Never works, does it?

However, the decision to power the frogs is not to be taken lightly! - I started with Atlas turnouts and testing suggested the same need - I decided to try and do it right and migrated to Peco Electrofrog plus their DCC snap switches - Testing told me it worked, but it never ‘felt’ right - Tons of wire going all over the place - the twin coil motors had the Peco ‘double microswitch’ mounted on 'em that also controlled some test signals in addition to powering the frog, but even so… [You’ll the same issue if you use Atlas snap relays of course.]

Then curved t/o’s got to be a good idea, and those from Walthers/Shinohara really aren’t designed to be powered - They’re ‘DCC friendly’ and when I tested these even my little GE44 tonner found the signal at l-o-w speed - Once the track was perfect!

That led me to not power the frogs on the next test, and sure enough, frog power was not needed [I did have to modify the electrofrog Pecos to make the (now) ‘dead spot’ smaller, but even they’re now ok. Obviously, Insulfrogs would have been a better choice…]

“OK”, I hear you say, “but I’ve got ‘fancy kettles’, he’s talkin’ a GE44 tonner!” - That’s true, but as I’ve said here before, I use a DZ143 equipped Thomas for ‘early’ track testing - If that little sucker doesn’t run, s-l-o-w-l-y, over the track, I need to fix the track - It’s as simple as that!

You’ll find your most ‘critical’ loco with a little more running, but in my case, ‘Thomas da man!’… He’s survived non-removal of track pins, running in to assorted tools and some serious derails (mainly operator error :slight_smile: that would have hurt with a ‘real’ loco… No matter how hard I wish, if he doesn’t handle the track, I know my 2-6-0 and 0-8-0 are going

Congratulations to the engineer and president! [4:-)]

Fire the track laying team! [:D]

By the way, I’m envious. I have no trains running right now as I’m starting over. Enjoy yourself!

That is very good news! Your struggle with the track will take a while, and will flame up like hot coals every time you add a bigger loco…if your experience is anything like mine.

Must have felt great to watch the 0-6-0 do its thing?

Thanks folks, I ran a $20.00 Bachman 0-6-0 from Hobby Lobby and guessed if it hit the floor it would not sound as bad as the brass or the big stuff.
I am going to test a Y6b next, then the cab forward as soon as we put the catch net under the layout. I knew that casting net I had would be of use again! I can catch loco’s now!
Again thanks, I am going to start running the bus wire now and hook a Tech 4 to that. I am not setting the DCC because all the DCC ready with decoders are a little to much to brave the testing session.

Forget it! :slight_smile: … Seriously, connect the DCC - Your locos will run better with a nice, constant, ~13.5v for 'em to grab hold of!

As long as the booster comes up OK, and the ‘quarter trick’ is successful at various points around the layout you’ve got no more chance of blowing anything up (actually, probably less chance, but that’s another debate) than with DC. Plus, in your current setup you can arrange a nice green-field meet! :slight_smile: [Just know where the emergency off is located first…]

Again, just my 2c, ymmv,
Ian

Would go for it but we are working with (4) boosters broken down into 24 districts with 124 turnouts and 46 stationary decoders. Not counting the 2 turntabels. Sort of want to take a baby step till all the design is back from Digitrax on the balance of the layout.
I am putting in a Selector from Atlas and putting the DCC output as CAB “B” and the MRC as CAB “A” so we can test both ways during the next work session.
This is a private layout BUT is being built by a club that does not have a place. I am suppling the space, money and materials and they are helping build. One of the members is a Digitrax rep and is doing all the Design work. this saves Randy Rinker from being driven crazy by me with questions!!! Hi Randy !!

You’re lucky to be down there in Digitrax Country.

I remember the first time I ran a train…on this layout, and on the one prior to this, and even older ones - although for some reason not on either of the N scale layouts I had. A truly great feeling to watch a train successfully navigate the new track.

–Randy

So, you are going for it!!

I’m sure the CAB ‘A’ output will soon get forgotten :slight_smile:

Ian

As I said in the previous post - you really are going for it…

But, what about a decision on live -v- dead frogs? - That’s what I want to know! - Particularly as you’ve got 124 of the suckers to do…And the reason I posted to begin with…

Cheers,
Ian

Congrats on the successful run. I check each section of new track as I lay it that way it is easier to make corrections rather than wait to have a hundred or so feet down and then check it. Yes, no matter how careful you are all those things you mentioned will still be there. As far as powering the frogs, will the 0-4-0 or the 0-6-0 be used in that section? Larger locos will have less trouble spanning the dead frogs. I would power the frogs where the small locos will run most often first and then work on the others as needed. I have used the device Alan Gartner outlines on his website: http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches.htm#a14 Really not that hard to make and they work like a charm if you are using manual ground throws. They could be used with snap switch devices too.

You will find that DCC will help a lot a slow speeds. Having full voltage available at all times to the decoder gets rid of a lot of problems.

Good luck with the main line run!

history in the making !

congratz [:)]

Powering 100% of the frogs. We have (2) #6 double cross overs and (3) #8 double slips to do also. the pain is that one of the Double crosses is on a reverse loop (VERY LARGE DOG BONE)
The frofs where getting power after all the talk on line and at the club.

Yes but all the help from you allowed me to ask the correct questions and the rep took it from there. I may regret this but I gave a him an open end budget to do the DCC. I told him what I wanted it to do and said just make it happen. I seem to get a pcakage from him EVERYDAY! My shop looks like a Digitrax sales room.
We have another 565 ft of track on this stage to put down yet but at least I can silence the “WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING RUNNING HONEY” [:D]

glad to here your railroad is up and going.

Saw your post ont he Digitrax forum. Just remember that if you run wire 30’, the current has to travel a total of 60’. Out and back. Don’t worry about the track, that’s what feeders are for. #12 wire is significantly larger (and a better conductor) than code 83 nickel-silver track. Calculate oltage drop usign worst case - if you are feeding the #12 right from a 5amp booster than use 5 amps and multipley by the resistance for the entire length of wire. (V=IR) If it’s being fed by a PM42 section set to 2 amps, then use 2 amps - there can’t be any more current int hat piece of wire if the breaker is set to trip out at 2 amps. Shoot for less than 1 volt drop and you’ll never see a difference in speed. EX: #12 wire is 0.00159 ohms per foot. 30 foot run = 60 foot of wire = 0.0953 ohms total resistance. times 5 amps max = 0.476 volt drop. Not significant. Even 50 feet of #12, 100 feet of wire total, is only a 0.795 volt drop.
Looking at my ‘final’ grand layout plan - there’s no place I could locate a single booster and not have 75+ foot runs. So even if one booster would be enough to run all the trains I need, I still need extras just to keep the bus runs short enough. I’m not about to try and stretch 00 wire around the layout!

Note: the resistance numbers are for #12 SOLID wire. Just making that clear before someone comes up with another number and wonders where I got 0.00159 from. And it’s actually 1.588 per 1000 foot in most charts. I divided and rounded.

–Randy

George,

You never forget your first train on a layout!!

Congrats! I know the feeling well and I bet you got a smile a mile wide as it started up!!

Dave

Congrats!! I hope to be joining you soon. I’m in the track laying phase now…

2 1/2 years planning. WOW! I admire your persistence.

Good job and congradulations.