Thanks mobilman. the overall dimensions are 40" x 6". The 1-story is 24" long and the 2-story is 16" long. I bought some additional styrene sheet today, so now I need to install a roof on the 1-story with the correct pitch. Then, I need to get it on the layout for some better photos.
Rich
Thanks, kingcoal. Now that I have the bug, I want to build some additional freight houses.
Rich
I have begun installing roof supports at the proper pitch angle. I mocked up a short length of unpainted styrene roof to show the proper angle. I hope to cut, paint and install the 1-story pitched roof today but, first, golf is calling me.
Rich
“Golf has too much walking to be a good game, and just enough game to spoil a good walk.” Harry Leon Wilson. [:-^]
By the way, JaBear, this so-called sport was given the name “golf” because all of the other four letter words had already been taken.
Rich
Got the pitched roof installed on the 1-story portion of the freight house. I will post a photo in the morning once I remove the weights holding the poof panels in place.
Rich
Rich,
I believe You were doing great until…IMHO the new roof that You are putting on is Too peaked, also too high. I believe it would look much better and more like the Proto, if it were half the vertical height You have now. That roof reminds Me of a Church roof or ski-lodge. Aside from that…it costs a lot more money in material and time to make it as large as You have.
I believe it would look much better if done like the roof in the photo:
Take Care! [:D]
Frank
EDIT: Some food for thought…think of where it is at and the climate. You start work in the morning and before You can begin…You and crew have to shovel all the snow off the dock before anyone can begin to even start unloading any boxcars or trailers because all the snow that was on the roof from the night before has slid off the roof and is now covering the dock and vehicles and in rainy weather…forget about it…LOL.
Dunno, Frank, but I hope you’re wrong. I just got up and I am working on my first cup of coffee. So, I haven’t had a chance yet to remove the weights and line up the two structures. I can say this. The ridge on the 1-story building matches the point that it meets the 2-story structure in terms of height, but it all depends upon the pitch which is determined by the width of the building. I think that I got it right. But we shall see.
As the previously posted photos of my scratch build show, the first roof attempt was way too flat. So, I left in on and built the new roof over the old. If the pitch of the new roof is too sharp, so be it because if I flatten it on a third attempt, it will be too low where it joins the 2-story structure.
Rich
Here is a rare photo of the west side of the C&EI Freight House which shows the pitch of the 1-story peaked roof.
One thing that I forgot about is that in the earlier photo of my scratch build, that mock up was too pitched and I did lower it when I installed the new roof over the old. As I already mentioned, the only way to match the pitch of the prototype roof would be to match the width of the prototype.
Rich
Bearing in mind the old saying “Fools and children should never see half done work”, and as I was a child half a century ago, and so therefore can’t claim that category, I am wondering Frank, if Rich has been caught out by scale compression.
The height of the gable may well be close to correct, but by losing two inches or about 14 ½ HO feet of width, the pitch now does look too steep. The glaring expanse of white styrene doesn’t help matters either!!
Possibly by lowering the height of the gable, the lesser pitch of the roof may have captured the “essence” of the building better?
That said, while I know the theory of scale compression, I have yet to put it into practise.
Cheers, the Bear.[:)]
EDIT: While I was gabbling on, I see Rich has replied and from that photo, your single story gable height was right, Rich. Prehaps a compromise between gable height and pitch might be in order?? [banghead]
Rich,
I believe from that photo that You just posted…that You are missing is the fact that the 1 story roof does not butt up against the two story building. There is another part that slopes down below the windows, like a hip-roof…four sides. Look at the drain for the two story building and also the corner of the window that is covered by the roof…they just don’t cover part of a window when putting on a roof. The camera angle makes it look like it is butted…even makes the top of the first story dock look as tall…but it is not. You got to remember…I’ve been in that building in the 50’s, as well as the one on Canal st. The interior was all wood timber for structual support, with a brick exterior…concrete floor for dock and first floor and a wood floor for the second story. Almost all warehouses and factories in that area had all timber for support beams…no steel H-columns. I’ve been in quite a few factories in that whole area…starting around 1949 when I was seven and riding either with My Dad or Uncle, who at the time drove trucks. Lifschultz and Hennis Freight lines.
I’m not trying to be critical…just informative. [swg]
Good luck on Your build…doing a fine job!
Take Care! [:D]
Frank
Rich, it looks to me that the first pic shows the third and end peak to be shallower than the other two, and perhaps more accurate, IMO. Could just be the camera angle.
I see the other rare photo shows the peak to nearly approach the top of the second story, so maybe the first two are closer to correct than I first thought.
Yeah, that’s just an optical illusion. I am not very expert at taking photos, so I just point and click. All of the roof supports, five in total, all match one another in size and shape. I probably shouldn’t have posted those two mockup photos becuase they were very preliminary and were later modified.
Rich
That is an interesting observation. The usual photo, taken from the Roosevelt Road overpass, gives the appearance of a continuous pitched roof butting up against the 2-story building.
After I read your comment, I pulled up a 1938 aerial view, and I could see the “hip roof” segment that you are referring to. I enclosed the C&EI Inbound Freight House in a red rectangle and drew black arrow pointing to the hip roof. I never noticed that before.
If you look closely and compare the aerial photo to the first photo in this thread, there are other details on the flat roof of the 2-story structure that are not obvious from the Roosevelt Road view.
Rich
Gee Frank, while you maybe an old codger, [swg] http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/264872.aspx?page=1 there’s nothing wrong with your powers of observation!!! My excuse is that for my sketch, and consequent observation, I’ve used the photo in Richs first post for this thread. [:-^] Now that you pointed out that window it is glaringly obvious. The only windows I’ve personally seen that are partially built over, have been bricked up first.
Just a personal observation Rich, but too often, at least to my mind, we see amazing modelling that can be off putting and seemingly beyond our meagre skills, simply because we don’t see the hiccups, and or trial and error stuff, that can, and indeed does, occur during the build process.
Keep up the Good Work.
Cheers, the Bear.[:)]
Ok. Then the overall height of the roof should be slightly lower than how it was mocked up. Based on the photo above, if the one story in fact has hipped roof instead of abutting the 2 story, then the top of the hipped portion is closer to us, so the peak of the roof should be lower than the 2 story and not the same height as it would be if the roof abutted the building. Now that we know there is a hipped roof, its easier to see it in the photo.
The angled roof line also cuts off the bottom of one of the windows, indicating it is closer to us than if it wasn’t hipped.
As noted, the dimensions are going to be bashed for layout purposes, so precise accuracy will have to be sacrified somewhere.
Excellent job.
One of the most severe limitations in building this freight house is the lack of actual drawings. The only thing that I know for sure is that the 2-story structure was 288 feet long and 60 feet wide, and the 1-story structure was 474 feet long and 60 feet wide. I wish that I knew the height of the two structures but I don’t have that information.
There were actually four buildings that formed the C&EI Inbound Freight House. In addition to the two buildings that I am modeling, there was a small building on each end of the entire four building complex. Another piece of information that I lack but wished I knew is the order in which the four individual structures were built.
In HO scale, the two buildings that I am modeling would measure 105 inches long by 8.25 inches wide, a bit too large for my purposes. I chose to build a 40 inch long by 6 inch wide set of structures. The 1-story model is 3.25 inches high including the foundation and cornices, and the 2-story model is 5.25 inches high including the foundation and cornices. The peaked roof and end cornices result in additional height.
The Walthers Modulars wall sections are 2 inches high which would convert to 14.5 feet height for each story for the “prototype”.
My objective in building the C&EI Inbound Freight House is to simulate a reasonable representation of the structures rather than an exact replica. If the final result captures the “look and feel” of the prototype, I will be extremely pleased.
Rich
And that is the most important thing. The rest of us could comment / criticise till the cows come home but it doesn’t matter.
Keep up the Good Work.[tup]
Cheers, the Bear.[:)]
Thanks, JaBear. As you know, this scratch bash project is dedicated to you. [swg]
Rich
HA…My Friend…Ok ‘‘Buddy’’ Richie…[8o|]
LOL, You know I’m just kidding…I like ‘‘Bear’’ too…even though He lives upside down.[swg]
Take Care! [:D]
Frank