Good Lord! This wasn’t the 3:10 to Yuma.
We just discussed this exact same scenrio in this forum as Conceal Carry on Transit. Now why cant I find it in search function?
The Anti-Gun crowd will naturally point to this as an example of why concealled carry should NOT be allowed on trains and transit, but in reallity, this do not support their view. The suspect was not a CCW holder, not a law abiding citizen, and not legally eligible to own a firearm. Banning CCW holders from carrying on trains or transit would not have had any effect in this scenario, as the suspect was a Criminal, who by definition, is someone who has no regard for laws anyway, and would have, and obviously did carry a gun on board any way.
No CCW holders were involved in this case, and it is fortunate that the police were able to intervene. If a CCW holder had been present, and the police were not, itis very unlikely that any shooting would have taken place. The average CCW holder would have had no idea the suspect was wanted in connection with a murder, and would have done nothing to start said shootout, it was only after the suspect realized that the police were pursuing him, that any gunfire took place.
The only reason that a CCW holder would have had to draw their weapon, would have been, if the suspect started shooting people on the train, without the police being present. Personally in that scenario, I would want there to be a CCW holder present, who would possibly be able to stop the suspect from having an unopposed opportunity to shoot as many people as possible.
The average CCW holder is NOT some Rambo type looking for an excuse to use their weapon, but rather your neighbor, beautician (like my Wife) or the person in front of or behind you in line at the grocery store.most people would be surprised at how many CCW holders there are in public, but strangley the wild west shootouts that the anti-gun crowd always fret about, just don’t seem to happen.
Doug
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We are living in intresting times !
Not necess-celery, the surest way to get a thread locked is to be nasty, insulting, or otherwise rude to another poster, or to get 100% political where it doesn’t apply to railroading.
I’ve never seen any problems with opinions honestly held as long as everyone stays respectful.
Well put!! Maybe Challenger has a large chip on his shoulder.
This past weekend was a light gun violence weekend for Chicago - only 53 shootings and 6 dead. Yes, that is a light weekend of violence. It is vary rare for this to happen on Metra as security works the major stations, and are often seen on the train. Notice in this case the number of officers trying to catch this person on the train.
Just surprized that I beat the usualposts about how all gun owners are Rambo types juiced up on testosterone.
If you REALLY want to do something to improve Public Safety, get the Government to pass legislation requiring cell phones to disable texting, and any other hand held function, if it detects that it is moving at more than 3-5 MPH. THAT would prevent more carnage than any gun control laws you could pass.
The phones have the technology to do this, and the way many people “HAVE to HAVE” the Newest, Latest and Greatest cell phones, it wouldn’t take long to get the majority of the phones changed out, especially for the worst offenders.
I have been a truck driver for over 28 years, and I have seen first hand that too many drivers simply can NOT, put the phone down and drive.
Doug
A few questions: How would such a motion detector work?? If it does work as designed, would if also disable these functions if the phone is on a moving train, bus, etc. and the phone’s owner is a passenger?
GPS sensor will detect motion. An electromagnetic sensor could detect the ignition pulses of a normal gasolene engine. I don’t currently know what if any electronic controls are used with diesel that could be detected by a sensor. The sensor would have a range of about 6 feet or maybe less. Simple to discribe, more difficult to sweat out the details.
Pro-gun, anti-gun I don’t care! The problem with CCW is when you have more than one in a situation and everyone thinks they are the ‘good guy’ and the other CCW’s are the ‘bad guy’. Figuring out who is good and who isn’t in situations with gunfire is not always a straight forward problem, throw a good dose of adrenlin on top of everyone’s decision making process and you can end up with a mell of hess - and a number of dead.
Thank you Mr. Schlimm. I don’t know Challenger so I can’t say whether he has a chip on his shoulder or not. I AM a gun owner myself, have been since 1970 and an NRA life member as well. Here in Virginia we have concealed-carry, hey we even have OPEN carry (although you don’t see too many folks doing so) and there isn’t any carnage on the streets, except for those “wrong side of the tracks” places where a certain element doesn’t care about permits, or other laws for that matter.
No, I don’t have a concealed carry permit myself, don’t see the need in my case.
Remember the Movie “Escape From New York” well 30 years later its “Escape From Chicago”
Sounds like now there might be a Federal takeover of Chicago of some sort to finally address the issue of the spreading of the Wild, Wild, West across the Chicago suburbs. Maybe the Feds will even get CREATE back on track and address other issues with Chicago while they are there.
So Blondie threatens to send the Feds to Chicago, whatever that means. Unless he plans to impose martial law [N]
The facts in most cases of law abiding CCW incidents does not support that view.
I personally have had to retrive my gun to defend my family from a burglery.
Most people with a carry permit are by virture of the responseablity the coolest heads on the scene…there will always be exceptions.
But guns in the hands of law abiding private citizens save peoples lives every day, often without ever firing a shot. When the criminals on my property saw the gun, they ran. The police came, my gun remained on my person the whole time without question. The criminals were captured down the street a few miles. There were five of them and one of me, with my wife in bed recovering from knee surgery. I think the gun saved us…and we live in a “good” neighborhood, in a rural area…
If bad guys know that people can and will defend themselves, it changes their behavior in advance a large percentage of the time. And if not, and they get dead, so what.
A gun is not a guarantee of safety, it is just having a chance when otherwise you would not.
Look up the case of the shooting at the Appalachia School of Law - a gun stopped that shooter without firing a shot, as soon as he was confronted by an armed person, he dropped his weapon and surrendered. Most criminals are cowards. Yet very few of the news reports about that shooting explained that that one of the
Hm, thinking. So in a gas-powered car, that would lock out both driver and front passenger. Maybe back seat passengers as well.
In a bus, the driver would be fine to do whatever, as would most passengers, except for the unlucky ones in the way back row, close to the engine, assuming that the bus, like many, has the engine mounted in the back.
Proximity to an internal combustion engine does not a driver make.
Just saying this needs more thought.
As I said - more difficult to sweat out the details.
No, the “Big D” can’t send Federal troops to impose martial law in Chicago unless the local authorities ask for it. Federal law, I believe the “Posse Comitatus” act of 1877 prevents it.