Citing poor financial performance SWA leaving Newark airport ( EWR ). Since SWA does not really compete with Amtrak short distance destinations this should have no effect on ridership ?
https://www.nj.com/news/2019/07/southwest-airlines-to-cease-flights-from-newark-airport.html
“The airline currently has about 15 departures a day from Newark airport to destinations including Chicago, Nashville, Austin, Denver, Phoenix and St. Louis.”
No BWI Flights listed
I am sure UAL has already jacked up their fares.
Might have a negative effect. But did SWA consinder joint ticket with Amtrak to serve all corridor points? Does any airline serving Newark or BWA have this?
In my 700,000 FF air miles, Newark rated #1 for full throttle take off or aborted landings to avoid traffic that was in the way.
It is not that simple !
I believe that the problems with the Boeing 737MAX forced Southwest to drop Newark; Southwest already flies from LaGuardia and Islip and Newark was not a hub for the airline as BWI is. With a shortage of aircraft due to grounding of the 737MAX, Southwest felt it was necessary to realign its older aircraft where they would be most effective.
The only airline that had an agreement with AMTRAK was United. Whenever there were delays involving flights between DC and NYC, United “reticketed” passengers over to AMTRAK. Dulles International and Liberty Newark International are both major United hubs.
In the destant past, USAir had an interline agreemente with Amtrak for BWA Airport. I don’t know how long it lasted.
According to FAA’s Air Traffic Control by the Numbers 2019, the average number of go arounds at Newark International from 2014 through 2018 was 2/10s of 1 percent, which was the same as 13 of the 30 core (largest by operations) airports in the U.S., e.g. DFW, IAH, LAS, LAX, etc. San Diego had the highest percentage of go arounds at .6 percent, followed by LGA and DCA at .5 percent. JFK was .4 percent.
“Go-Arounds occur when an aircraft is on approach to the runway but suddenly aborts the landing. This occurs if there is a sudden shift in the wind, an obstruction on the runway, or possibly, the aircraft inadvertently overshooting the runway. Go-arounds result in the aircraft returning to the landing queue to attempt another landing.”
Newark was Number 5 with respect to diversions, which occur when a flight is routed to a different airport than its original destination. This occurs usually due to convective weather. Newark had an annual average of 655 diversions from 2014 through 2018 compared to 1,274 at ORD, 1,508 at DFW, 1,066 at ATL, and 991 at DEN.
Newark is a busy airport. But not as busy as ORD, ATL, and LAX, which averaged more than 700,000 controlled flights per year from 2014 through 2018. Newark was 11th with an average of 427,414.
Newark topped the list of delays. It had an average of 30,176 delays per year from 2014 through 2018. The next highest delays were recorded at LGA, SFO, ORD, and JFK. Weather was the major culprit in these delays. EWR, LGA, SFO, and ORD accounted for half of all the delays of the core 30 from 2014 through 2
It is that simple when your on the plane aborting.
If your responding to me, wrong date range. It would be closer to 1997 to 2001.
You’re assuming it was avoiding traffic. Probably something quite different.
You remember Newark International operational data from 1997 to 2001? You must have a good memory.
Your comment, “Newark rated…” suggests now or recent past.
Other than your memory what is the evidence for the claim that Newark is or was rated #1 for full throttle take off or aborted landings to avoid traffic that was in the way?
You have not presented any data to show that the go arounds in 1997 to 2001 were significantly different than from the 2014 to 2018 data. Given the dramatic growth in commercial air traffic since 1997 - 2001, it is possible that the number of aborted landings in Newark were even less than those incurred from 2014 to 2018.
One would have to be on the flight deck to know the throttle settings for takeoff. And h/she sould have to be turned into ATC to gain a picture of the traffic being worked by departure control.
It sounds like Southwest is using the MAX issues as a scapegoat for poor performance of the Newark station. Southwest is adding flights to Hawaii, so they are still expanding even with the groundings. If the MAX was the key to making Newark work, the station was barley hanging on to begin with.
Considering the actual problems the MAX had, and the relative ease with which solutions were found, I think this is ringingly correct.
On the other hand, it may be that routine operations in and out of EWR will need to be conducted in parts of the flight envelope where the unique compromises in the MAX design become more than usually hazardous, even with the software changes. So there might be some ‘operational prudence’ (sorry, Percy!) involved in the analysis.
Or did you mean Patience? [#oops]
I don’t get it. Please de-whooooooosh me.
“Operational” is in the Bridgman sense: a decision taken strictly for technical reasons, probably in a restricted context. “Prudence” wasn’t a name from a Beatles song, it was meant as ‘avoiding what may be a nonexistent technical risk just to be sure it wasn’t nonexistent in some situations after all’.
Sorry, it was a pretty obscure reference to a music duo named, “Patience and Prudence” from long ago. I think they were a one hit wonder.
Thanks! (They actually weren’t that bad!)
Figured it wouldn’t be a play on Marlon Percy!
Nooo, I remember the aborted landings and takeoffs and what I rated the airport. I don’t carry around FAA statisical manuals with me when I fly. I prefer a lighter suitcase when I travel.
You are correct. The Max problems have nothing to do with leaving EWR, that is just an excuse. They fly to other NYC-area airports, so losing EWR is really no loss. Any SW loyalty flyer will just go to a different airport.
Airframes have a certain percentage of “full power” takeoffs that they have to make. The ACARS tells them when to do them. It has nothing to do with which airport it is. You’d be surprised at how little deviation pilots can make from SOP.
Once the software is fully certified, the MAX will not fly any differently from any other 737. There are some airports, due to short runways or terrain features, that require “special handling”, but EWR isn’t one of them. SAN and SNA are.
If you want to hear some amusing ATC conversations, Google “Kennedy Steve” on youtube. There’s someone who enjoys his (very high pressure) job.