Hello I was wondering if the gentlemen that was looking for an old steamer for the bottom of a lake was done . I thought it was good idea and have not seen anything more about it . Has any one heard any more about it ? If so can you post a link to it . Thanks Frank
Y’mean someone actually modeled it?
I was just thinking about that old thread the other day.
I found the thread. http://www.trains.com/TRC/CS/forums/1111318/ShowPost.aspx
We never did hear how it turned out.
Steemtrayn, I’ve heard rumors about a submerged steam loco in southern Jersey for years. That doesn’t look like the top of a steam dome to me though, plus other features should be visible as well. Can you see beneath the surface?
A steamer in a lake… I guess I missed that one. However, I have heard of locos sinking off into soft ground, falling off of bridges during derailments and sinking into the mud. I guess there have also been those that sank on barges in rough weather. Like they say though, to each their own.
Tracklayer
There’s also a loco that ended up some 80 feet under, in the Nolichucky River. From the tales I’ve heard, its still there.
Hmm. I don’t know what it is, but I do know what it isn’t - it isn’t a steam dome.
Mark.
There is a 4-6-2 Pacific P-2b # 3666 currently residing at the bottom of the Piscataqua River on the New Hampshire and Maine border. It went down in 1939 killing the crew. B&M could not lift her out. So they turned her 90 degrees as to not block boat traffic.
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Steam Freak that is the thread I was looking for could not remember the title. It was Master of Big Sky Blue looking for a 4-4-0 for his lake.
SteemTrayn if there is one thing I learned form this site there is a prototype for everything and somone will model it.
Master of Big Sky Blue if you read this could let us know how is going.
Thanks for the help Frank
This is an interesting concept. I re-read the original thread and the link to the old one. I guess I didn’t really understand it the first time I read it. Now knowing that sinking a train would require alot of water medium, could you simply cut the model shell to reproduce the depth? This would still require 1" or more medium? Maybe add the scenery and effect to make it appear to be a new derailment? The engine not being completly submerged, perhaps people in the water attempting to rescue the crew, an oil slick, etc…
I think this is a very cool idea. I’d love to see pictures when it’s done.
I’d be interested to see how he did it. Instead of using a lot of resin (or whatever) to fill a deep hole, another option would be to put a layer of thin glass or clear plastic over the open hole, then pour your water resin over that to create ripple effects, etc. Not sure how that would look with light refracting differently through the glass then open air beneath, but it might be worth a try.
I remember seing photos of that one, or 2 actually. They were on a steamship that sank in the mid 1800s. They were the strange 2-2-2 with drive wheels around 10’ diameter. They are sunk deep, too bad they can not be salvaged and put on display.
I think this is like the P-38 Lightening " Glacier Girl " that was taken out of the Greenland ice. All it takes is someone with a dream and lots and lots of money. Someday, maybe, these old loco’s will get that kind of attention.
Those sentences just look so funny. I’ve never heard of a steam locomotive “going down”, steamship yes, steam loco no.
When a loco goes down who’s required to go with it? The engineer, the condutor, the fireman ? Seems we should know this, you know for prototypical ops.
Salt water is BAD NEWS for any metal. I don’t know about the chemistry of it, but once the salt has penetrated the metal, it takes a LOT of work to preserve it - eg fresh water sprays for years on end. Glacier Girl was in freshwater ice, and so it was in good condition. Aircraft that are recovered from salt water usually fall apart within a few years of recovery, because the corrosion cannot be arrested.
Folks:
Submerged steam - interesting thought. Here’s a better one. Drop a diesel in the lake and run steam. [}:)]
I modeled something similar once. Found an old cast iron bathtub in the ditch near a club I belonged to full of muddy rain water. Dropped an old AHM steamer into it an WHALLA! Chinese steamer on it’s way to Iowa sitting on the bottom of the Pacific. Real mud and water, too. No or messy resins for me, no sir. It looked sooo realistic.[:-^]
I guess I used the “went down” statement because it fell off a rather large and high bridge and fell to the bottom af an inlet of a rather large and deep Atlantic Ocean. So I thought the phrase “went down” would be appropriate.
The steamer at the bottom of a lake or stream could be modeled by using a picture instead of a real or junk model. Any type of equipment or ship wreck could be modeled the same way. Most lakes are dark in color and any junk at the bottom could be seen but not clearly if it was fairly deep. This could be done with a dark picture that would be more of a shadow looking type of picture. The image would have to be merged into the scene and not be obvious unless you looked into the scene looking for the wreck.
We could use the magic of Digital Pictures.
Hello there is a thread in classic trains of a buried steam locomotive .It seem the Santa Fa RR was trying to save a bridge and it didn’t work and it ended up in a field. That might make a good seen a bunch of RR stuff and workers digging out a steamer in a field. Thanks Frank