will this affect the railroads rule against personal handguns in grips?
Not in the least. Companies have the right to say possesion of a firearm or drugs or alcohol on company property is cause for immediate dismissal. The case in queston was about an individual who lived in DC and had his home broken into several times. The DC government said he wasn’t allowed to defend himself or his property. Obviously the Constitutuon say’s he can.
Amtrak - same thing?
The ruling concerns the right to own a Firearm.
Has no affect concerning carrying a Gun.
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Thank you!
I doubt the carriers will change their no firearm policy but that won’t stop people from carrying. I put myself first and my job second.
Are you saying you know a RR worker like a conductor or engineer that carrys a gun on a regular basis? What exactaly is the firearm policy on RR’s?
Joe
I knew an SP engineer, based in Tucson, who said that he routinely packed a small pistol, though he’d never needed to draw it.
Too late for him to get fired over it; he had retired, and then died several years ago.
1 thru 4 all forbid T&E employees from carry guns…any gun.
The ruling did nothing but affirm the 2nd amendment, (part of the bill of rights) of the right for an individual to own firearms…
It found that an outright ban on firearms is unconstitutional, but that certain gun controls are allowable.
No railroad will accept the liability of its employees going armed…the railroad police are bonded peace officers, T&E employees are not.
Yes, some guys do carry a pistol when they work “down on the docks” or in some of the heavy industrial areas.
This is rediculous. My employer may forbid me from having a gun while on their property, but who’s to stop me from protecting myself while on my way to work? What do they expect us to do… check our firearms at the gate? If I leave it locked away in my car’s glove box and don’t produce it while I’m at work there should be no problem, right? Afterall, how would they even know I have a gun if I leave it in my car?
OK, unless it was used, how would the powers that be in a company know you have a gun? Do they search your belongings? And if it was used, wouldn’t it be better that the employee was still alive whether or not his job was jeopardized? But, if he did use it to protect himself, would the railroad, because they forbid guns, be liable for any kind of shooting committed by one of their employees, even if that employee was protecting himself? Have there been many instances of railroad employees being assaulted (or worse?) that having a gun could have prevented?
mike
Makes you think when 4 justices voted nay to the 2nd Amendment.
The ruling did nothing but affirm the 2nd amendment,
You have the right to own a gun.
There are limitations to this, of course.
Convicted felons and those under the age of 18 may not own a hand gun, and each state has the ability to restrict some types of guns.
Here, with the above exceptions, anyone can own a rifle or a shotgun.
I can give, as a gift, a 16 year old a 22 rifle, or a shotgun, and he or she can own that gun, but they may not purchase it…and they may not own a handgun at all and can not purchase ammunition.
Once they are 18, and have no convictions, they may purchase and own a hand gun, or a rifle and the ammunition for them.
Depending on where you live, you may have the right to carry said gun.
Texas and many other states have a concealed handgun law…here, once you pass a series of tests, you can carry a handgun, as long as it is completely concealed.
There are places you may not carry the gun, the same law allows for the prohibition of a concealed gun.
Where my wife works, even the police officers who have to visit as clients are required to leave their handguns in their patrol car…carrying a gun into her office while on personal business is a federal offense, even for a cop.
My wife carries, I carry too.
Yes Ted, you do “check your gun at the gate”!
On days I work at the railroad, I leave my gun locked in the car (my wife also leaves her gun locked in her car)…although I should leave it at home…because the railroad is private property, it has the right to prohibit guns on the property, even in your personal vehicle…they also have the right to search your car, (with your permission, or with a warrant if you refuse and they can establish probable cause) while you are on property.
If you choose to, you could display a sign at the entrance to your home prohibiting the carrying of any gun inside the home or on the property, and be well within your right to refuse entry to anyone carrying a gun(other that police officers in discharge of th
So right, Ed. While I am not a gun owner, (but, would like to be) I am happy with the Court’s ruling (That ruling is giving our King Richard II (aka Mayor Daley) a conniption fit, I have never seen him so angry, he was out of his mind yesterday). Anyway, companies can establish any rules they would like regarding what you can, and cannot bring on their property.
It is a toss up though, when you are working in a job that takes you dangerous places and neighborhoods, what is one to do? There are many neighborhoods in Chicago that the railroads travel through that are about as dangerous as it gets.
When I was an EMT for a private ambulance service about 15 or so years ago, one of the people I regularly rode with carried a handgun whenever we were assigned to go to the West Side, or some other dangerous area. He stowed it under the seat so no one could see it, yet it was readily available to him. Otherwise, he kept it in his car if his assignments kept him in the suburbs. I kind of freaked a little the first time I saw it, and then fervently hoped there would never be a reason for him to take it out.
So, does anyone else know anyone who carries regularly?
I often carry, but not for protection, I just like to shoot a lot. It’s a great way to kill time while waiting for the next train too [;)]
I remember back in the 90s, when I lived in LA, there was an incident where an SP train was going under the I405 underpass at Dolores and a transient decided to take some shots at the locomotive. The conductor returned fire and criticaly injured the transient. He was quite shaken up and had to go see the head doctor.
OK, class this as a “friend of a friend” story, but…
A former paramedic I met who had worked in the DC area had her partner shot while they were sitting in their rig. No warning - just a shot in the dark. A gun under the seat would have made zero difference. He didn’t make it, which is one reason why she was a former paramedic.
I have no problem with gun ownership by individuals. Were it not for the hassle, some international transportation logistics, and the fact that I have no real reason to own a pistol, I’d probably have my late father’s two pistols in my possession right now.
The only folks I have an issue with are those who use the 2nd amendment to justify actions that many of us would consider outrageous.
I just saw an article somewhere about a place that allows “open carry” and folks who are starting to do so. Wish I could remember where…
I don’t think that’s a bad idea myself. At home (Nevada) Lots of people carry, includeing myself sometimes. I’m not sure what the law is in that state but no one seems to care, including the cops.
It should be remembered that the Second Amendment–and the Court’s recent rulling–limits the GOVERNMENT’S ability to restrict access to firearms. Like virtually all Constitutional freedoms, the Second Amendment does very little, if anything, to inhibit an employor–or other private citizen–from prohibiting firearms on their premises.
Think of it a lot like this website. Every now and then after a thread is locked, someone on here cries “Free Speech!” Of course, “Free Speech” is a concept that limits the government’s control of speech, not Kalmbach’s, and Kalmbach is free to restrict speech on this website in virtually any manner of its chosing.
The Second Amendment is no different.
As to Amtrak, although it is ultimately run by the government, for somewhat more complicated reasons that require a less direct explanation, the ultimate result is the same.
Gabe
I don’t own a gun and have no use for one. That being said, there are two communities in the USA that mandate home owners must own a gun. Guess what their crime and burglary rate is? Any guess above 0% is wrong.
Did you notice that some of the first words out of King Richard II’s mouth about this were: “raise taxes.”