NYC leads the way with The Commodore
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Not quite…as grand! [swg]
It’s charming Penny. Captures the essence.
, Carl Kantola saw UP 10000 and Burlington Zephyr and thought, why should diesel own streamline? We can do it with steam.
Hold on! you guys already forgot streamlined train like these? [:O]:
http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/bec/bec.htm
Anyway, Miningman was right that if there wasn’t the UP M-10000 and CB&Q Zephyr, streamlining of the steam engine (Steam Engine Streamlining?) might have not become an important thing in the railroading industry.
I think there is not a single doubt that Henry Dreyfuss benefited the most by the streamlining movement and NYCentral’s good taste and the opportunity they given to him. The streamlining of Empire State Express and the 20th Century Limited were timeless, iconic and having an unreplaceable status in the industrial design world.
Raymond Loewy achieved more outside the railroading world, not many works of him in the railroading industry is still being remembered by the general public. But this doesn’t change the fact that his works in railroading are fascinating, just probably not as popular at the time.
1938-1945…
Rexall Drug store as seen along Grand Central Station
Note locomotive on headstone. Very nice nice tribute and remembrance.
Staufer said this design was evaluated and tested at the Case School of Science in Cleveland; it seems strange that Mr. Kantola didn’t refer to this at all in his recollections. Who (Penny, perhaps?) knows this part of the story?
Explain THESE … if you can!
Overmod and all-- From Mike:
Stubject: Kantola’s Case connection
The things you find when you actually use Google…
https://case.edu/ech/articles/z/zapf-norman-f
Now to see if I can find a link to the actual thesis… stand by
Norman F. Zapf
https://case.edu/ech/articles/z/zapf-norman-f
ZAPF, NORMAN F. (14 July 1911-23 June 1974), a mechanical engineer whose research in streamlining led to the design and construction of streamlined locomotives, was born in Cleveland to Herman R. and Mabel (McNess) Zapf. He entered Case School of Applied Science, studying aerodynamics under Dr. Paul Hemke. As an undergraduate, Zapf used the recirculating-type wind tunnel at Case and scale models of steam locomotives to achieve a practical streamlined design that reduced drag 90-100%. At 75 mph, his version required 350 hp less than the unstreamlined form. The findings were part of his senior thesis, “The Streamlining of a Steam Locomotive.” He graduated in 1934 with a B.S. degree in mechanical engineering and took a job with New York Central Lines, but eventually resigned when he failed to procure an engineering position. He returned to Case as a graduate student but soon left to work for a Boston firm that produced hardware for locomotives. In the 1930s, railroads were searching for ways to improve their image while reducing costs in view of competition from airplanes and automobiles. New streamlined diesel-electric locomotives were introduced, but most railroads already had enormous investments in their steam locomotives. Conclusions from Zapf’s thesis were used by New York Central Lines in the design for their Commodore Vanderbilt, the company’s first
I’ve never seen the low speed wind tunnel at Case Western Reserve University but I have been inside the one at Glenn Research Center:
“…Enameled ID badges for conventioneers. The locomotive motif was strangely patterned after New York Central’s Commodore Vanderbilt with three large driving wheels on a side, rather than the Rexall Train locomotive which had four drivers on a side.( Designer: I needed more space to add the “year 1936” you )”
I am so inspired by some pictures of the wind tunnel in the Glenn Research Center!.. My next art exhibition at the British Consulate General Hong Kong should be something like this:
CP 3000.
Toronto, August 1951.
From ebay.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/4GAAAOSwHDdccPE2/s-l1600.jpg
Thank You.
From Mike .
Notable that both the Northern and the Jubilee were in regular service right up to the end in 59/60 . 6400 is preserved as are 4,examples of Jubilees but none of the original 3000’s which were the ‘real ones’.
I love how they listed the size of firebox and boiler so that I can do some mental arithmetic when reading it.
By the way, this is a message from Jim Arc:
“Case Institute of Technology in Cleveland, Ohio merged with Western Reserve College (the campuses were side by side, and some classes already shared) in 1969. It is now known as CWRU - Case Western Reserve University.”
"Invented and designed by Carl F. Kantola and developed by the Case Institute of Technology.
Locomotive #5344 was named the “Commodore Vanderbilt” and was first exhibited at Grand Central Station and then it began an exhibition tour of major cities on the NYC system. "
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No, that would be why he put six wheels under the firebox, something that I would have thought you, Jones1945, would have found particularly notable… perhaps it’s that they’re obviously not in a single truck, perhaps arranged like the trailer arrangement on Gresley’s ‘hush-hush’ watertube locomotive of only slightly older vintage, on steroids.