The ground around the Round

It won’t be too much longer before I start working on my engine service area, the turntable, roundhouse etc. It struck me that I’ve never had the opportunity to visit the real thing, to walk around and see what the ground looks like. I don’t think I’d use regular HO scale ballast all around the area, that would make for some difficult walking for my workers. Probably it would be bare ground (1950 ish), oil stained etc. but I’m not at all sure. What did you do in this area, and if you have photos of your modeling or links to online pictures, that would be a great help. What type stuff and equipment would be found stacked, laying around the roundhouse? Any information will help me along!

Thanks,

Jarrell

First of all I it would be pretty flat, no ditches between tracks. If it is or used to be a steam facility, cinders for ballast. Yes, oil spills, if you have an oil storage area it would be well soaked, EPA not around in the 50’s. As for stuff in the area, a junk pile of old parts, blocking, extra wheels, maybe a track with a dead loco being used for parts, 55 gal drums. If the locos are serviced with sand and coal in the area, spilled product on the ground around the facilities. If the MOW area is nearby, extra rails and ties, barrels of spikes. Old freight and passenger cars used for storage and offices, an old tank car up on cribbing for an oil supply for those new diesels. Small roundhouse? Extension on the back of one bay for newer, longer engines (straight in track off the turntable if the engine is too long to be turned).

Just a few thoughts,

Good luck,

here is pic from my personal collection of the Garrett,In ready track 1955-(ish) pretty cool pic, and should answer all of your questions. yeah, that is my grandpa watering the tender[:D]

Another taken from under the coaling dock (use the Spigot for reference)

Anyone good at modelling puddles of dirty water??

Wheeler, not to get off topic but, that’s pretty neat to see those pictures because i worked out of Garret in '98- '99 as a conductor on CSX. There was a wye when i worked there do you know if it was there back then?

I think there was some articles on locomotive facilities of past and present in one of MRs in '07. That may help provide some info too.

I am pretty sure the Wye was put in when they tore down the roundhouse and scrapped the turn table sometime around 1960. so the wye has been there a while, but is further west of where these pics were taken from. (reference the water tower)

I am glad you enjoy the pics, they are special to me and I like to show them off!

BTW- I live in auburn…

Yeah, the water tower was the first thing i noticed. When we were there we lived in Huntertown. We really enjoyed it up there, but we had a couple deaths in the family that year and i was starting to miss my sons growing up ( Garret was an extremely busy place to work , I was constantly getting called right back out on rest) so we decided to head back home.

Lots of cinders around this one, along with various sizes of gravel and lots of weeds.

This isn’t right at the turntable, but fairly close: lots of grease and oil on fine gravel and cinders:

Same area, another track over:

The old boxcar in the right background is on one of the outdoor tracks off the turntable:

Wayne

The large, well used yards on the club layout were done by placing a base layer of silica and play sand first, staining and weathering the sand, then cinder and ballast done last. The type of construction and roadbed in the yards required a substantial amount of the product. Using the sand made the expensive scenery products stretch.

The member that ballasted the yard, did quite a bit of research and took many photos to use as a prototype.

The mains and yard leads/ turnouts were kept to a newer fresh ballast to show updating and maintainence.

Cinders, dirt and mud etc.

I dont think half the rails are much higher than the dirt if at all.

Just a couple of money saving and work saving ideas. For fine ballast, I used a coffee bean grinder to grind up “kitty litter” (whiich is of the proper color to start with). Slice open some greased “cocktail straws” to cover the rails, before spreading on the ballast. Straws, not only keeps the spray adhesive away from the rails, but allows the proper clearance for train wheel flanges. If the ballast is to be as high as the rail tops, (except around switch points),you may wish to use a thin layer of Hydrocal Sculpting Plaster, before applying the ballast. Quiite often, the ties are covered in the “yards”. Be sure to remove the straws before the adhesive hardens! Be sure to vacuum up any loose particles before running trains over the newly ballasted tracks. Use diluted stain, applied with an eye dropper, to simulate grease spots. I use dabs of “faux fur” for weeds. Bob

Ref: MR December 2006 pgs.66-73 “Adding a Yard”

MR January 2007 pgs.46-48 “Ballasting made easy”

Wayne –

Where and when were the TH&B pics taken?

Thanks

Craig

Thanks for all the pictures and the tips on how to do this area. It looks like it’s going to be dirt, very fine ballast in areas, cinders and oily stain most everywhere. I’ll remember to keep the main and leads lookin’ better though. Thanks Bob for the tip on the straws.

Jarrell

Bob, what do you mean about ‘greased’ straws?

Thanks,

Jarrell

I would use N scale cinders. Don’t have an engine terminal but that is what I use in my yards and like it very much.

Craig, all of those TH&B pictures were taken at the Chatham St. roundhouse area, in Hamilton, Ontario. The first picture is from Oct. '79, and the others I’m not sure. I’d guess the second picture is from the early-to-mid '80s, and the B&O diesels probably late '70s. The last one has me stumped, though: I took a lot of pictures of the 76 and 403 together, including an entire roll of b&w, in 1979, for an article in MR’s Paint Shop, but this picture strikes me as being more recent. I’ll hazard another guess at early-to-mid '80s. [swg]

Wayne

I think that’s a good idea. Thanks!

Jarrell

I took these shots at Lewistown, PA back in the late 80’s.

Lots of dark cinders, the occasional murky puddle, some grey ballast…

Here’s my engine terminal, which for now is a stand in until I get some more of the layout built.

I used some paint to simulate the spilled sand and diesel fuel.

Lee

The roundhouse (engine shed) serviced by the TT is in the backgound. In the pic is the fuel oil tank and the sand tower at Lewiston, ID.

The area these days is kept pretty clean due to environmental consraints. This pic was taken summer 07.

Great photos guys! I’m saving them to use as references for detailing my locomotive servicing facility.

Thanks![:D]