Yes, the checked baggage would have been in the baggage car.
Would make and female crew have all been in the same rider car in this case?
I am looking at a picture from the Lucius Beebe book on page 66 of the Overland Limited No 2 in 1917 and it lists the consist as:
RPO
baggage-buffet
2 pullman sleepers,
a diner,
overservation lounge.
But I see an advertisement on page 152 from 1914 that lists “…barber shop, baths, stenographer, valet, ladies’ maid, and excellent dining-car service.”
I just can’t figure out where all those emplyees would have slept. Someone suggested perhaps the dining crew slept in the diner, but what about the rest of the crew?
I have seen some time table from the 40s which show “no checked baggage” (I forgot the exact wording) under one all-coach train schedule. Does that mean the passenger only can take small hand luggage or carry-on baggage onto the train?
Actual picture of the consist
am looking at a picture from the Lucius Beebe book on page 66
In the 1940s, the rest of the crew slept on the floor in the baggage car, if dormitory car was not arranged by the railroad. Pullman porter would sleep in an unoccupied roomette or bedroom, but I am not sure where they slept in the 1910s; maybe on a chair or slept on the table in the dining car as well?
Very nice found, Vince. Glad to see my favorite challenger type 4-6-6-4 (pre-war version) once leaded this beautiful train on P.141
Looking through an August 1915 copy of the Official Guide, I reviewed the Overland Limited consist listings from each of the operating roads. Since each road described the Overland Limited consist in their unique fashions, I have transcribed as is each roads consist listing:
C. & N. W.
Nos. 1 and 2 – Overland Limited - For First Class Sleeping Car Passengers only. The only daily extra-fare trains between Chicago and California. The only exclusively first-class trains between Chicago and San Francisco. Only 65 hours and 10 minutes en route. A superb service of Club-Buffet Cars, Observation Compartment Cars, Drawing Room Compartment Cars, Standard Sleeping Cars, and Dining car service – with barber; ladies’ maid (hairdressing and manicuring); valet (clothes-pressing), baths, stenographer, library and periodicals, electric lighting and ventilation, vapor heating, telephone, telegraphic news service, stock and market reports – between Chicago and San Francisco.
U. P.
#1 - Overland Limited – Westbound – Electric Lighted – Extra Fare Chicago to San Francisco and intermediate points. Compartment Observation Car Chicago to San Francisco via C. &N. W., U. P. and S. P. Pullman Drawing Room and Compartment Sleeping Cars Chicago to San Francisco via C. & N. W., U. P. and S. P. Cheyenne to San Francisco from Denver. Pullman Standard Sleeping Cars Chicago to San Francisco via C. & N. W., U. P. and S. P. Club Car Chicago to San Francisco via C. & N. W., U. P. and S. P. Dining Car Service.
(NOTE: Denver-San Francisco sleeper handled on #101 Denver-Cheyenne)
#2 - Overland Limited – Eastbound – Electric Lighted – Extra Fare San Francisco to Chicago and intermediate points. Com
The tourist sleeper from St. Louis was probably handled in another train west of Ogden, unless CB&Q specifically listed it as operating in SP 1 and 2. I’m pretty sure UP 21/22 were the “Pacific Limited” which had an SP counterpart 21/22 on a much slower schedule than the Overland. The Pacific Limited was handled by the CM&StP east of Omaha instead of the C&NW, at least for some period after 1913.
The Dining car is listed with the San Francisco to Chicago equipment. Even if the reference is to Oakland, that still covers the whole trip. The Oakland to Chicago reference covers the Observation and Club cars. All of the sleepers except the observation were listed to San Francisco - a neat trick since the run ended at the Oakland Mole.
Nicer than you think! You can download the entire book as a PDF from that link.
And, thanks to Lucius Beebe, here’s something to listen to as you read:
Wow. Quite the performance. Tremendous discipline and concentration. That’s about as far from Boxcar Willie you’ll ever get.
I could not do it without breaking into laughter and descending into some 3 Stooges thing. Good thing there are folks far more serious than me.
Now I want a cigar and a nice Scotch.
Nicely done! Do you suppose they know the Northern Pacific “Great Big Baked Potato Song?”
So “Crossing The Grand Sierras” was written by Henry Clay Work? Interesting, but not as rousing as his classic “Marching Through Georgia!” [li] [:-,]
Here’s the version I was looking for, less music-geek art-song intense and more like you’d expect to hear regular folks sing it:
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I’m going to assume that your comments refer to Southern Pacific’s Overland Limited consist listing.
The St. Louis Pullman and tourist sleeper in question operated westbound only via the Overland Limited and is specifically listed in the CB&Q section of the Official Guide, and includes the schedule for UP #21 and SP #1. The eastbound St. Louis Pullman and Tourist car were handled on the Pacific Limited from San Francisco.
On the Union Pacific, the Pacific Limited was numbered 19 westbound and 20 eastbound.
Union Pacific #21 operated between Denver
Thank you. This was VERY helpful