I think in the 60s Wabash or i should say NW had ex Waba***rainmasters.Does anyone know if any were saved?Also what was the correct model name for trainmasters? thank you
The only Trainmaster saved was Canadian Pacific H24-66 8905, now at the Canadian Railway Museum in Quebec.
http://www.trainweb.org/galt-stn/cproster/locomotive/8900s/cp8905.htm
A trainmaster is a first-level supervisor to whom conductors and brakemen report. The locomotive is a Train Master (two words) and its model is H24-66.
N&W inherited Train Masters from both Virginian and Wabash. The VGN Train Masters were re-numbered from VGN 50-74 to N&W 150-174. The WAB Train Masters became N&W 3592-3599. The ex-WAB Train Masters were re-powered with 251 engines prior the 1964 merger.
A fair number of the Train Masters were cut down to slugs and were originally numbered in the 9900 series. Some are still in service on NS.
We only report to him what we think he can handle…the rest we take care of ourselves…you cant go giving them to much information, it gives them headaches!
Ed
aka: Trainmonsters
Odd, nobody asks if any old CNW Superintendents are around?[(-D][(-D][(-D]
(probably hiding in the back of a closet at the DD&CS Diner somewhere anyhow)
As for roadmasters, they tend to congregate around Buick dealers with all the chrome and tailfins.[;)]
Mudchicken sayeth: “Odd, nobody asks if any old CNW Superintendents are around?”
I don’t think there are. Because the CNW called them AVP-Division Managers. I know where one is . . .
Old Timer
I thought the baby train masters were cool. the H 16-66. Did any of them survive.
Squaw Creek Coal 721001 is in Calgary, Alberta.
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/pccx721001.jpg
It looks much better now-
http://www.the-gauge.com/showthread.php?t=6284
I know that the N&W rebuilt a number of H24-66s into slugs for hump service. These were initially mated to C628s(later replaced by EMD power, I assume:SD9s or the like). IINM a number stayed in service into the NS era.
Isn’t a baby train master a H-16-44?
Why did the SP use train masters on the commute trains? Did they have better acceleration charachteristics then EMDs or others?
Chad-
I don’t think the 4 axel FMs were ever called Baby Train Masters.
The SP locomotives were probably going to Oregon but went to New Mexico, Tucumcari-El Paso. They then went to the commuter line because of sandstorm grit resulting in a lot of maintenence work, removing liners and rings, ect.
Did you save your “Bear (SP’s Jim Mahon) vs. the Lake” April 1987 Trains ? That has a pretty good FM article in it.
Baby or Junior Train Masters were H16-66’s, found overwhelmingly on C&NW (51 out of 59). MILW had six, one went to the TVA, and the other to Alcoa, later Squaw Creek Coal.
SP put its Train Masters in Peninsula commute service because of their quick acceleration. CNJ used theirs in suburban service for the same reason.
Interesting.
No Dale, I don’t have that one. I had to toss out my 99% of my mags in 96’ (Yes it was something I regret but at the time I had no other choice). There were a few issues I just couldn’t toss out and one of them was a *** Dorn article on Jim Mahon, it was called the Bear vs The Mountain, I think. I do remember the Salt Lake article so I must have had it.
The term Train Master was a marketing concept by FM. There was a wonderful story in Trains (I forget what issue) penned by a former FM employee explaining the rationale around the term. Although the term “junior Train Master” has been around for decades, in reality, it’s a fan term, not an FM term.
SP’s 16 H-24-66’s were originally set up for service out of El Paso (remember SP had based FM H-12-44 switchers there as well) to work on the Tucumcari Line. Photos exist of three of them lashed together on freights. I wish I could have seen them operating there.
Anyhow, New Mexico sand played havoc with them at the same time SP was looking for a replacement for San Francisco-San Jose commuter steam. EMD SD7’s were tried and found wanting. A pair of FM’s went west, and eventually all moved to California. I saw them there…great sounding machines, weren’t they?
David Lustig sayeth: “Photos exist of three of them lashed together on freights. I wish I could have seen them operating there.”
What did they lash 'em together with, David? Rope? Baling wire? Duct tape?
Old Timer
hehe, pick pick pick. You know he meant MU’d.
I’ve Mu’ed them but I’ve also “tied them up” and I’ve “put them together”, I’ve got to agree, though, I’ve never “lashed them up”.
Well, Old Timer, I stand corrected. While I have heard that term from a few railroaders, I guess it is not a common one. I appreciate you pointing that out.