I was pretty sure it had been eliminated, too bad, even the Desert Wind to Salt Lake was
Actually, I think Minnesota will fall in the ABB camp. Kerry is here today, and “Hedge”, as we lovingly call him at my house, was kissing @$$ here last week. The real problem is that there are 49 other states, and quite a few of them count a lot more than Minnesota. California is one of the biggest, but it sounds like Vic is with us.[swg]
Chad isn’t just a country in Africa anymore…
When I lived in Italy, there would be perodic strikes and demonstrations …trucks blocking the road and such…they would strike for the oddest reasons too…
…there was this steel mill that had been dormant for ten years or so. Locked up…no jobs. The company that owned it sold it to a Chinese company that was going to take the equipment to China…okay…there’s a quality control nightmare for you…anyway, the Italians had a big weekend long strike to protest the moving of the mill, that 1) wasn’t operational and 2) they had been complaining that it needed to be torn down becasue it was an eyesore not too long before…
…another strike occured one summer that there had been poor snowfall and rain the winter before, so the farmers punched holes in the aquaducts to irrigate their fields, causing very low water pressure, allowing algae to grow in the lines…making the water non-potable…like it was before…anyway…the protesters blocked off the US Navy base and areas were the NATO folks lived…because they felt if they put pressure on the foreign community it would help the problem. A good deal of the trucks were ag trucks that shipped the goods form the farms that had popped the lines…go figure…
"1. California has more stringent standards for fuel blends than the rest of the U.S. All it would take is for the State Assembly to remove those rules so that refine
Out here, its the “Shrub” you’ know, a small Bush…
So the truckers want to protest the cost of diesel this way, well who do they expect will pay the difference? Us helpless citizens will that’s who.
Truckers that block traffic to protest should loose their right to use public highways.
Or maybe I think gas is too much so i’ll find some sucker who has nothing to do with it and park my fat car in his/her way, in protest of gas prices coarse !
Well, the ones that did stop were arrested and there trucks impounded since they abandoned them on the freeway and walked away. Some of the slow protest drivers were given citations for driving too slowly, but at least they didnt tie up the freeways for hours like the other drivers did.
Yeah, we started out with Shrub too, but carried it out to Hedge for pun value.[swg]
Yeah i heard about thsoe new machines!
I have a hard enough time putting a Big black X in the round box without screwing it up!
kev
sorry my friend you cant vote in our election.Ethenonal and bio diesel is something that our govt really needs to be pushing.and california was wanting to ban ethenol because it came from the midwest.so what did midwest states do get fruit from florida and mexico?Im not a farmer but am familiar with what our local farmers deal with everyday.cant we all just get along?
stay safe
Joe
Haven’t the railroads fuel cost increased too[?] They get their fuel from the same barrel of oil.
Apparently they are upset about getting that mid-western moonshine when they can get it here too. Not too sure of the details but it has more to do with political favors owed to mid-west backers of certain people in DC who OK’ed the switch to Ethonal from MTBH, which turned out to be very bad for the water supply. Go figure, something invented by the oil industry bad? The switch wasnt the issue, it was deciding just who would supply the stuff, Cal growers said they could do it for cheaper, but a midwest supplier got it, why? I dunno!
So yeah they want to ban Ethonal which is stupid because there aint no other additives to help the emmisions standards, all political BS yet again.
When it comes to California, I agree with Big Boy, vote them all out and start over.
Irony Department:
(1) The truckers in LA and Oakland were drayage truckers hauling mostly sea-cans (containers) and piggy-back trailers for the freight forwarders scambling for biz the railroads haul to the ships. The rates they complain about were in contracts they signed and honored. The rest of John Q. Public was treated to a contractual dispute between the truckers and the forwarding outfits. NEITHER seems to understand how to write or negotiate a contract.
(2) Those same truckers ought to have a mandatory safety inspection prior to leaving the terminal by CHP. Far too many would fail to make minimum standard (Dblstack- you out there?.. the only truckers that are scarier are joe-bob bullhaulers) , and would not be allowed out on the road.
(3) In the news in Frisco & LA at the same time was the story about the deteriorating conditions of CA’s freeways and that fuel taxes need to be raised to pay for road surfacing and bridge repairs. Mysteriously, 3 of the top 5 bad road segments are near the ports. Any guesses on who is doing the major damage, is not paying their fair share of the repair costs and insists on being subsidized by John Q.? (Hint: 18 wheels, unsafe at any speed and has a huge lobby at the statehouse & DC)
Really odd that the truckers already got their fuel taxes decreased while the railroads are paying fuel taxes at the same rate as 20 years ago and those moneys get poured into Caltrans general fund. The fund is heavilly skewed in favor of highway projects and management. (How about pouring some of that cash into grade crossing safety improvements…???)
From the same newscasts: Drivers of little riceburners destroying rims, tires and allignments venting at CalTrans…You’re howling up the wrong trees bubba! Look in the mirror! All that work at night on roads to appease your howls of traffic gridlock is a wastefully expensive (daylight work is much cheaper & safer) exercise. Being that California loves to stick warning labels o
When the regulators were looking for something to put into gasoline the oil companies proposed MTBE which is a waste product normally burned off since there are very few uses for it. It was approved (“grandfathered in”) without doing proper studies to determine the effects because it was already used in much smaller percentages.
The Air Polution Board and the oil companies and most of the Environmental activists thought MTBE in gasoline was a “win-win” situation. No one intended to poison groundwater.
Many decisions to “protect” the environment are made without proper studies to determine their real effect.
Using Oxygenates (including ethonal and MTBE) have unintended consequences. One is that while they reduce air pollution per gallon of fuel burned, they also reduce gas mileage. (more gallons burned offsets less pollution per gallon). This affect has do be understood and calculated to determine if they are worth the cost.
A few year ago California mandated cleaner diesel fuel. The “poison” diesel fuel chosen destroyed the fuel system on a large number of vehicles.
Et
Truckers can look on the bright side, their trailers are still moving across the country… just by rail. HAHAAHA The railraods have the power!
Double Irony Department
Mudchicken, you’d LOVE this…
The Pasadena Subdivision, now the lightrail Gold Line, now has South Pasadena NIMBY’s upset over the lightrail trains running, you guessed it, in their backyard!
Seams it didnt take long for those living next to the old frieght line to forget that there used to be full-on frieght trains rolling thru there. Once the line was closed, but before the Gold Line got started, I guess they got used to the peace and quite.
Even BEFORE the first Gold Line trains were up and running, the complaints started. “Its too close…it will be too loud…I dont want to look at it… Wahh, wahhh. wahhhhhh”
Soon after the first trains began testing, a very small but very loud group of residents began a protest demanding that there be NO BELLS on the crossing gates! NO HORNS on the trains! and that the trains be slowed to a walking pace, though they later settled on 20mph max and only thru there little 2 block enclave.
I have been around these trains now for about a year, the MTA has done backflips to address as many legitimate issues to get this thing built and have done a great job but even they said “this is ridiculous” when it came to these nutjobs. The train horns are not as loud as auto horns, the trains are very, very quiet, and they are not going more than 30mph TOPS thru South Pasadena.
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Double Irony Department
Mudchicken, you’d LOVE this…
The Pasadena Subdivision, now the lightrail Gold Line, now has South Pasadena NIMBY’s upset over the lightrail trains running, you guessed it, in their backyard!
Seams it didnt take long for those living next to the old frieght line to forget that there used to be full-on frieght trains rolling thru there. Once the line was closed, but before the Gold Line got started, I guess they got used to the peace and quite.
Even BEFORE the first Gold Line trains were up and running, the complaints started. “Its too close…it will be too loud…I dont want to look at it… Wahh, wahhh. wahhhhhh”
Soon after the first trains began testing, a very small but very loud group of residents began a protest demanding that there be NO BELLS on the crossing gates! NO HORNS on the trains! and that the trains be slowed to a walking pace, though they later settled on 20mph max and only thru there little 2 block enclave.
I have been around these trains now for about a year, the MTA has done backflips to address as many legitimate issues to get this thing built and have done a great job but even they said “this is ridiculous” when it came to these nutjobs. The train horns are not as loud as auto horns, the trains are very, very quiet, and they are not
I beleive they DID alot of this as mitigation during construction to try to appease these bozo’s but they still have there banners in the front yards. No trains allowed, but big ugly yellow eyesore banners are perfectly fine.
Like I said I’ve been at the epicenter of this protest and for the noise of the trains rolling by or the horns? Well my neighbors stereo is louder than that stupid train. How about a swap? I’ll take the Gold Line running outside my house and those bozo’s in South Pas can have my neighbor, his stereo, and volumn 10 oba-lomba-boom-boom music that the neighbors two streets over can here, Good Trade? I think so.
Bush may not be doing all that much, but I don’t think Kerry is going to do any better. As a senator he has received more funding from special interest groups than just about any other senator in congress. He’s also big on highway funding. Think Big Dig in Mass. I’m afraid we’re going to get the shaft if either Kerry or Bush wins.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith
Double Irony Department
Mudchicken, you’d LOVE this…
The Pasadena Subdivision, now the lightrail Gold Line, now has South Pasadena NIMBY’s upset over the lightrail trains running, you guessed it, in their backyard!
Seams it didnt take long for those living next to the old frieght line to forget that there used to be full-on frieght trains rolling thru there. Once the line was closed, but before the Gold Line got started, I guess they got used to the peace and quite.
Even BEFORE the first Gold Line trains were up and running, the complaints started. “Its too close…it will be too loud…I dont want to look at it… Wahh, wahhh. wahhhhhh”
Soon after the first trains began testing, a very small but very loud group of residents began a protest demanding that there be NO BELLS on the crossing gates! NO HORNS on the trains! and that the trains be slowed to a walking pace, though they later settled on 20mph max and only thru there little 2 block enclave.
I have been around these trains now for about a year, the MTA has done backflips to address as many legitimate issues to get this thing built and have done a great job but even they said “this is ridiculous” when it came to these nutjobs. The train horns are not as loud as auto horns, the trains are very, very quiet, and they are not