Turntables with Roundhouses, Balloon/Reverse Loops and Wye's

The NYC’s balloon track at Harmon, NY was used almost exclusively to turn steam locomotives. This was the steam/electric engine change point for all passenger traffic in and out of Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan. Steam locomotives that arrived in Harmon from the west backed around the balloon track, over the four-track main (and possibly other tracks at the same time), and arrived on the proper side of the main, properly pointed to take their next train west.

I’m not sure if motors (electric locomotives) used that balloon track. In fact, I’m not at all sure that it was even electrified and, being bi-directional, motors wouldn’t have needed to turn anyway.

Don’t forget the turning loops for long-distance passenger trains at Sunnyside Yard (“Harold Interlocking”), Queens, New York City, originally built circa 1911 by the PRR, and still operated by Amtrak, at about these Lat./ Long. coords.: N 40.74999 W 73.92061

  • Paul North.

That reminds me of the turning loops within Grand Central Terminal in New York.

Here is a turntable at the Albina Yard of UP in Portland OR http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=45.545806,-122.684256&spn=0.001126,0.001692&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6

and a Wye just up the street in Vancouver, Wa by the BNSF Yard

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=45.629495,-122.683854&spn=0.006362,0.01354&t=h&z=16&vpsrc=6

And a bit of fun- a mile long tunnel that runs right under an old neighborhood of Portland starts here out of the UP yard http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=45.574584,-122.711902&spn=0.001126,0.001692&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6

and comes out here http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=45.590715,-122.712286&spn=0.003183,0.00677&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=6

The Mark Twain Zephyr was the immediate descendent of the Pioneer Zephyr. The cars could not easily be uncoupled. Not far south of the Mississippi river bridge at Burlington, the whole train was turned using a wye. The line to St. Louis hugged the river. The wye was laid along a creek that cut into the river’s limestone bluffs.

Some years back, Trains (or was it MR?) did an article about a branch line that terminated in a large loop.

I don’t recall the location, but Wisconsin or Minnesota sound familiar.

The Raquette Lake Railway (1900-1933) had a large loop at the Raquette Lake end, and a wye at their connection with the Central at Carter.

I think I remembe the MR article you’re talking about. Does “Fox River” ring any bells? That location came to mind as soon as I read your first sentence.

The initial post of this thread asks when these kind of railroad services started.

In the UK small turntables, for small locos (at that time) and wagons were provided at stations and terminals in the earliest days of railroading. The wagon turntables served goods sheds; allowing wagons to be moved 90 degrees from the running line into the goods shed. I would think that the early American railroads had much the same facilities.

Engine sheds, of one or two roads, were the norm initially but obviously some loco serving depots gew in size and had more, usually longer, roads added and the development of a roundhouse became necessary as the loco fleet expanded.

Loops and wyes came at a later date.

And there is a wye in Vancouver, B.C., which is used by the incoming Canadian so it is backed into the station (We’ve been around it twice).

An American Heritage series book Railroads in the Age of Steam (1960) has an illustration showing a garden railroad built by Louis XIV at Versailles in 1714. Carriages with guests aboard were pushed along straight rails and were turned at corners on a “new invention”: the turntable.

My previous post’s book title should have read “Railroads in the Days of Steam”

When I asked the initial questions, I meant in the United States only. Right now, I really don’t care what is or was used in other countries or when.

Actually, no; using a turntable to turn a freight car 90º to get it into an industry would be extremely rare in the US. We are seldom faced with such restricted space, even in the most congested industrial areas.

I noted an active turntable on the Trans Coastal line on the south island of New Zealand. Unfortunately I don’t remember which town it was in. There might have been one on the TransAlpine between Christchurch and Greymouth.

Take a look at this thread (presently the last entry in the thread… 10th entry on page 13):

http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/p/195380/2199419.aspx#2199419

Is the one you are thinking of in that list?

Thanks for the reference to make be go looking at New Zealand again! :slight_smile: