If I remember correctly from the reports, the only MaxxForce engine to be based on a Cat engine is the MaxxForce 15, the block is based off of Cat’s C-15, everything else is Navistar.
Based on the rumbling I have been hearing, Navistar seems to be having more warranty issues with the MaxxForce engines then the other manufacturers, but all the makers have had sharp increases in warranty claims.
Was a news item in the October Trains that EMD’s new demonstrators have one inverter per axle, matching GE’s system…
The current EMD management team stinks. Clueless. Billy Ray Redneck and company ought to be sent packing. Send them back to the junk business-where they belong.
On account EMD’s instability due to three different owners over a very short period of time, a lot of white-collar talent ran for the door.
The four-stroke H engine was a tacit acknowledgement that the 710 was at the end of the line with respect to emissions development. This point was directly alluded to in published materials about the H engine.
Due to development issues with the H engine, the program was shelved as far as North American applications were concerned.
The AC drive has nothing to do with emissions issues. The current Mitsibushi AC drive is bulletproof !! In fact, CAT was planning to have various sub-assemblies fabricated by EMD for CAT equipment.
The one invertor per axle version of the ACe was done to get the attention of a former customer who has not purchased any new EMD locos in years.
Thanks for the input. How much more has this new 2012 truck cost with the changes over the previous model? I was wondering what the extra cost was and if this is going to be sufficient to meet the new Tier re
CZ: I don’t know what the difference between the 2007 and 2010 emission models was, but on the day I received my truck, I had a chat with the president of the company I drive for. He told me I was driving a $130,000 tractor, I promptly said ‘ouch!!’…
I am an O/O so I would be able to Answer that Question for you. I last bought a New Truck in 2001 and I keep them for about 11 Years I paid 110K Plus FET of 4% for a Fully Loaded W900L with a 86 Studio Sleeper VIT interior with a 550 Cat and all the Bells and Whistles I could get on her. I just Ordered her Replacement 2 Weeks ago and about had a Heart Attack when I got the Price I ordered a T660 need to save on Fuel with a Truck Payment and a Cummins ISX as CAT is out of the OTR industry 86 inch Sleeper with all the Bells and Whistles is now going to set me back close to 170 Grand plus my FET if I had gotten a Freightliner Glider Kit with a Pre Emmisions Motor in it I would have saved 60K and also since it is considered a Reman Unit there is NO FET on it.
So for the Privilage of running Certain States like NY CA NJ and others I have to pay 60K more for my Truck and Pray like hell the Engine and other Emissions stuff is Reliable on it.
Ouch!!! I knew that the cost would be expensive but that cost has to make your profit smaller.
That is a big increase even with the normal inflation!!
What is next? He has mandated the new EPA rules to increase the car mileage to 54.5 in just a few years and that will eliminate the rest of the home town cars and possibly trucks also. Do the long haul trucks have to meet any mileage numbers? Good luck with the new truck!
The GE was announced but I have not read anything about it being approved or tested. Is it ready for marketing to sell it??? I noticed it has a small hump on its back also! Sort of a mini camel.
By 2025 he wants all OTR trucks to get 15 MPG or BETTER. We are lucky to get 7. Now can you imagine a guy hauling a Combine getting 15 MPG thru the Rockies. They do not Give a Crap they want it and People on the Highway are going to DIE to get his Goal met sad to say. My boss was around when Carter tried to make ABS a requirement in 1978 and that cost Thousands of lives.
CZ: We do have new GHG (GreenHouse Gas) emission rules that take effect in 2014 and 2017 (I think), where they want the fuel economy bumped up. What I had heard was that they want to make the Smart Way volunteer program mandatory. I know Freightliner had an experimental rig running around that was getting 10mpg loaded, not sure about any other truck maker getting that right now…
Ironeagle: So far, with my T700, I’m averaging 7 to 7.5 mpg loaded, I have 120,000 on the meter now, no issues with the powertrain at all. The rest of the truck, not so good, have a few things I need to have fixed by Kenworth (and they still can’t figure out how I’m breaking the dust covers off the rear drive axle shocks every 25,000 miles!)…
Oh, and don’t spec the composite drums, they warp badly…
Interesting about the mileage. I knew it was around 7 or so but if I remember correctly, that figure would have to increase a lot to meet the new standards for future years. 10 mpg would be extremely good for the trucks today, but I would guess that experimental rig getting 10 is advertising better days rather than real mileage. Under perfect conditions on flat land at 50 maybe. I did not realize they were using composite drums on the drivers and front wheels also?
The railroads have the same problem with getting fuel mileage since they are using run 6 unless the dispatcher allows the Z train to go faster. I hear them asking on the scanner if they have permission to go faster or do they have to stay in the conserve fuel mode.
I watched the 9900 today come into the yard with two other units and you can hear the motor noise over the exhaust of that unit. That unit really does not make exhaust noise and that system must cut back on HP also.
The current CAFE requirements will not hurt the domestic automakers and the technology to meet the 35mpg fleet average already exists. These regulations are good for the industry and they also create engineering jobs. It is very likely that if we had the current 35 MPG CAFE regs in place in 2006 that GM and Chrysler would not have needed the bailouts because consumers wouldn’t have have purchased more efficient foreign cars when the price of gas hit $4.00 a gallon in 2006.
Please do not listen to the scare tactics because the people spreading those rumors do not understand the technology, the finer points of the regulations or the auto industry. You can be assured that pickups and large cars are not going to disappear but they will get much more fuel efficient. Ford and Chrysler make most of their profit from the sale of pickups so they aren’t going away, ever.
The regulations also do not affect vehicles already on the road so don’t believe the lies that the government will confiscate your pickups and older cars.
The proposed 50+MPG CAFE regulations don’t take effect until 2025, if they take effect at all.
Many of the foreign automakers don’t meet the current regs and those cars are still for sale in the US because the automaker simply passes on the gas guzzler tax to the consumers that they happily pay to own a Porsche, Ferrari, Rolls or Lamborghini.
EPI The ONLY Reason I replaced MY 2001 was CARB Said I HAD TO. Since I can not GET THE LOADS that would allow me to go to CA since CARB stated MY TRUCK in VIOLATION of the COMMERCE CLAUSE pollutes their Air TO MUCH and therefore IS BANNED from the State. Yep that went into EFFECT Jan 1st of this Year. Why Because I do not have the Emmisons BS on my Truck. My W900L gets Better Mileage than some of the BOSSMANS units yet has the Areo of a Brick in the Wind. My MPG last month was 7.9 for the QUARTER based on my HUBOMETER and all Fuel Pumped into the Truck. His 2012 Volvo’s are Barely getting 7.
IronEagle. Class 7-8 trucks are different than street cars. I assume that you had to pass a smog test for the year of production, but evidently that isn’t enough for CARB. California emission regs are weird.
Ive been out of the heavy truck industry for a few years but I did spend some time working for Volvo doing production engineering on their vocational trucks.
7.9 MPG for a W900L is doing quite well, especially with a large Cat. Congratulations on your new T660.
Nope CARB on their OWN said ANY Diesel Engine Made BEFORE this Year for 2012 IIRC it was 2004 IS ILLEGAL to run in the State of CA in all types of Road Based Commerce. That included the PORTS Road Construction Havy Equipment and Other Industry. If it Touched the Highways at ALL it was going to have to be Replaced unless you spent 4K bucks to put a DPF filter on it.
Trouble is they REFUSED to Certify any DPF FILTERS for USE as a RETROFIT. Then they would only give a 2 Year Extenstion before I would have to Replace the truck anyway. BTW this Law Applied to the Reefer Units that Haul the PRODUCE that comes out of CA. Wonder why Food Prices Spiked this year so bad. Companies had to spend an Additonal 20K per Reefer Unit to make sure they could keep up with CARB Regulations that make the EPA’s look like a Fart in the WIND.
I looked into buying a CARB Compliant Reefer and getting my own Auth this year. The Trailer with my Specs was 30K not bad for a new 53 Ft Reefer with no UNIT. However the UNIT for the Trailer was going to set me back close to 70 Grand I was like HELL NO. If I had bought Last Year the Same Unit was 50K This year it was 20K Higher just to Comply with CARB’s NEW REEFER Regs. They Demanded for all 2013 Model Year Units DPF with DEF on them and that alone added 20K to the Cost of the Unit. Even the EPA does not want that on Reefer Units as they are afraid that the Units will not stay running to keep the Food SUPPLY SAFE.
But this is California the State that Killed the Central Valley to save a 2 Inch Fish that was not even in the area they thought it was in.
How do I get 7.9 out of my old W900 simple I watch my Speed my Idle Time is only 4% called I have an APU on her and that will be Moved to my New truck. I never go faster than 65 MPH even when I am in a 75 MPH state called it costs way to much in Fuel to run that fast She will run faster but I refuse to do it. I keep my Air Gap Close and Run a Roof Fairing on her. Getting MPG is not hard just have to treat her right and she will respond.
True, the GE design is probably firmed up and will be tested on railroads prior to 2015. The 9900 is a rebuild of the SD60M units so they can be used for local service in California, at least for now. The 9900 received the 12 cylinder 710 motor with heavy duty cooling along with the computer controls to validate this exhaust scrubber type of design. This unit has been running the Redding local for the past three weeks now along with two other standard SD59MX rebuilds.
It will be interesting to find out if a 4 stroke motor will be installed in another test unit by EMD to meet the new regulations for 2015. There is one SD70Ace being retrofitted also from what I have read.
The SD59MXs have been coming out over the past year, 9900 was not among them…or at least, not as a Tier 4 test bed. That is a new development and that is why they just started with the hoopla.
The EMD ECO rebuilds themselves have gotten press as well, but they aren’t new, so they get less press.