Walthers Cornerstone Arched Pratt Truss Bridge

Frank, thanks for that additional information and photos. It is all very helpful. I am going to come back to you when I reach the platform stage on the towers to get your opinion on the appropriate number of cables. I just cannot decide at this point.

I have determined though the the towers should be 5" x 6" so that will have some decided effect on the size of the sheaves and the number of cables. One other consideration to take into account is the fact that the four sheaves on each tower do not sit on a single platform. The “platform” at the top of each tower is actually a set of four girders. The left side sheaves sit on one girder and the right side sheaves sit on a separate, parallel girder, so space is limited.

Rich

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Rich,

The CMR bridge main span is 4 3/4’’ wide. The hoist platform is 5’’ wide x 1 1/2’’ and it holds the 16pieces for the sheaves, the motors, gears and the shack, along with a three sided railing. So if You were to make yours 5’’ wide and 4’’ long, you would have more than enough room to put anything You want up there. Remember…part of the sheaves overhang the edge on both sides so the cables do not rub on the structure. Look at the pic’, you can see how they overhang. The four sets on Your bridge should do the same.

I’m sure there must be at least a partial floor on the hoist platforms…it would be awful dangerous to do any maintenance on moving parts, if you just had girders to walk around on.

Don’t start over thinking…

Take Care! [:D]

Frank

EDIT: This pic’ should give You a better shot of the sheave overhang:

They can be clicked on for a larger view.

Yes, I agree that the sheaves should overhang the platform to allow cable clearance, and I plan to do that. There is a lot to think about in the planning stage, so I appreciate the reminder.

I’m not so sure about the partial floor on the hoist platforms. From the photos available of the PRR bridge/towers, and the overhead views using Google Maps, it certainly appears that the sheaves are mounted on girders with no floor across the top of the tower. I could be mistaken here, but it sure looks like what I have described. I will need to researching this further.

I am concerned about space limitations up at the top of the towers, and cost becomes an issue as well. Those sheaves are $3.50 a pair, so if I wind up installing 4 cables on each sheave, that would require 16 pairs of sheaves for a total cost of $56.00. That seems excessive just to complete the sheave portion of the project. I have considered scratchbuilding the sheaves to save mon

Rich,

If cost is Your concern, take a look at this Plastruct link and on page 37 for Handwheels/Disc’s. You could make Your own sheaves with a spoke on the outside and disc. in the middle, followed by another spoke and so on. Should be a lot cheaper than the Tichy parts. And No…I would not try to make them out of thin styrene, not when there are offerings already out there. Cutting a round disc from sheet styrene is pretty hard to do and cutting from a tube isn’t so easy either.

http://www.plastruct.com/catalog/Vol_10_CatalogSMFL.pdf

Take Care! [:D]

Frank

Edit: While You are on the Plastruct site, look at the gussets. They have no rivet detail, but are at least already cut to size. Page 18

I came across these neat-looking gears, cogs & wheels a while back at Amazon, maybe others:

https://tinyurl.com/yypny39j

There’s a dozen or more designs in each bag and maybe six or eight of each design. Maybe these could be a starting point for your sheaves?

cog_2 by Edmund, on Flickr

If you found a thin-wall corrugated tubing, then stuffed it with these gear hubs, maybe with the teeth sanded off you might get a neat looking assembly. Or you could wrap them with grooved styrene sheet cut into a strip. Put the joint at the bottom, out of view.

cog_3 by Edmund, on Flickr

These that I stuck onto a nail are five HO feet in diameter:

cog_4 by Edmund, on Flickr

IMHO, the Tichy and the old SS Ltd “Mine Head” sheaves are too spindly looking to support the massive weight of a lift-bridge.

cog_ss-ltd by Edmund, on Flickr

The two on the left might work but, if you can find them, they are about double t

Frank and Ed thanks for those suggestions and links. More to think about.

I came across this item from Preiser, a cable drum set of 4 which looks pretty cool, but I cannot find dimensions like diameter and width.

https://www.preiserusa.com/Preiser-17117-Cable-drums-and-crates-Kit

Rich

Frank, I just received an order in the mail yesterday from Tichy (via eBay) consisting of Rivet Plates. These are 1 1/2’ x 2 1/2" sheets of styrene filled with dimple marks representing rivets. I will see how this works out on the tower construction.

Rich

Yesterday, I finished installing the top and bottom lacings. Today, I will finish the top x-bracing, and that will nearly complete the bridge except for some minor finishing touches.

Rich

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Looking great Rich. [Y] So much sheave info! Who knew?

Mike.

Yes, excellent model, Rich!

There is some additional counterweights and sheaves to support the power cables which might make for a neat detail if you’re ambitious enough [:-^]

NJ_bridge-power by Edmund, on Flickr

I remember being at Bridge One in the Cleveland Flats one July Fourth. I was friends with the operator. He gave us a ride to the top of the towers to watch the fireworks at nearby Edgewater Park!

That was some times to remember! Below is a look at the present-day “Bridge One”

1028181411 by Edmund, on Flickr

Cheers, Ed

Wow! THAT had to be cool!

Was that structure across the top added later? or is that part of the original bridge.

Mike.

Impressive Rich. I see you’ve been busy, moving right along. Looks great!

TF

Part of the original bridge, Mike. It was built in 1956. Before that the NYC’s New York-Chicago main line crossed over the river on a swing bridge with a gauntlet track, effectively bottlenecking the four-track main down to one (can only use one gauntlet at a time!) The PRR used the same bridge to get to the ore docks where the Hulett unloaders used to work. Today it is NS.

On May 8, 1974 the counterweight of the open bridge was struck by Penn-Central eastbound train OV-8 at about 35 mph. I was there a few hours after it happened. Not a good thing to see.

Regards, Ed

Thanks again, TF.

I appreciate your encouragement.

Rich

Thanks, Mike.

Yes, who knew.

I want to thank all of you guys for finding and linking me to these various possibilities. A lot more options to select from that I first thought.

Rich

I have completed the bridge except for some minor touch up. So, now it is on to the construction of the towers.

Rich

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Looking great Rich, when I click on your pics and enlarge them, with all the detail, it’s hard to tell what you scratched and added on.

The only reason I know, is because of your earlier pictures and conversation.

Mike.

Thanks, Mike. I like to enlarge the photos to find flaws and then fixed them. On the other hand, the camera sees what the human eye often does not see, so enlarged photos can be scary to the modeler who has worked hard to build a flawless model.

Rich

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Dave

Coming along rather nicely Rich. The bridge looks like it always was that way. The result of some fine modeling skills[Y]

TF