I am sorry some of you fellows are disturbed by my cross posting. Perhaps I need to explain it from my viewpoint.
I look upon the forums (all of them) as a great library of information from which I am trying to extract as much pertinent information as I can. I often do NOT find all of the POTENTIAL information on a particular subject in only one individual forum. So I try to visit at least 3 to 4.
Likewise when I find some interesting info, I also like to pass it along from one forum to another. As an example I had a very interesting posting made to my ‘metal benchwork’ discussion just recently by a gentleman from Switzerland. I copied and pasted into several other forums where I had this same discussion going on,…something that perhaps the participants on those other forums may have never run across, even though they held some interest in the subject matter.
I like to think that often I go the extra mile to look up ‘past/history postings’ of subjects,…something I find a lot of people don’t bother with, or don’t take the time to do. There is a LOT/ton of good information lost in the archives of some of these forums. Often I try to take the time to find it, and when I see that it might contribute to a conversation I try to post it on each of the forums that are having similar discussions.
I find it a bit childish when different forums squabble over territorial ‘rights’. Are we participants here to stand up for ‘their rights’ , or are we the needed fuel to keep their forums going. We all need each other, and as long as we conduct ourselves in a civil and legal manner that should be adequate.
No they Do Not have to be changed. All the holes are already there…you just have to put on the different trucks, swing arm couplers, add the pick-ups in the floor and install the light bar. The interiors are also already there, just unscrew to take out to paint or add figures.
These first two pic’s show the Walthers Mainline cars right out of the box and you can see the holes in the chassis floor for the other parts. The trucks are plastic with mounted coupler pockets on them…
These next pic’s are with the metal trucks for pick-up on the floor and the swing arm coupler pockets, all screwed into the holes that are already in the floor. The new parts also come with the necessary screw’s etc… I airbrushed My trucks Aluminum along with the diaphragms which come Black. Also the Kadee 1/4
What size drill bit did you use to open the holes on your Mainline shell? I’ve stripped a Mainline shell and want to install the handrails/grabs before I metalize it.
Call it territorial rights if you want to, but that is not what is being referred to in this case. No one, and no forum, has a monopoly on ideas or opinions. But this forum, like most forums, has membership privileges and membership rules. One rule on this forum prohibits promoting other forums. That rule may be subject to interpretation, but I will leave that to the forum administrator. I think that Ed got it right with the hosting dinner analogy.
A big problem with cross posting is that the cross post is almost always without context. So, once a cross post occurs, we have to either take it as gospel truth or track down the forum that it came from and read through the entire thread. So, in effect, we are replying not only to you but to the remarks of members of another forum. After awhile, there is more confusion created than clarity. And, after awhile, the cross poster runs the risk that no one on this forum will bother to reply because everyone eventually realizes that their replies, their ideas, their opinions, are being second guessed by posts on another forum.
So, it’s not so much about territorial rights as it is about the value, or lack thereof, of one’s reply, one’s ideas, one’s opinions.
I used a #80 for most of them, along with a #79 in some so I could add CA to some. The grabs are a tight fit…they are #80. I only broke one bit, in 9 cars…but I have a lot of practice…LOL
We all go to many different forums, and learn from what others have done, it’s not just you that doess this and it’s nothing about any “territorial rights”.
Do you think we all just huddle together in our own little worlds?
Frank, I replied to you PM and asked you a question about masking tape.
I’ve got a number of E8 sets, but not that line. Maybe I’ll just mix them in with other passenger trains,…not prototypical I know,
But it does appear that some RRs mixed in various different cars of their own within a consist?..or even cars they purchased from other RRs going out of business??
I’ve got a whole set of Walthers Santa Fe passengers cars, and the multiple Santa Fe locos to pull them. But they are in storage until I can get my new layout up and running. I just hope they are as nice as these,…I’ve never taken the time to look at them that carefully,…just knew I wanted them, bought them, and stored then away.
Up until that time I had a nice Concor set that I diligently placed the ‘close coupling’ Talgo extensions on, and weighty them propery so I could back a long stream of them into my yard on my John Armstrong Central Midland layout I had at that time. That was a real effort to get those style couplers to back up into that yard without derailing.
I ended up selling off that 10 car set once I got the Walthers cars.
I don’t believe this is correct – I am pretty sure the construction is different. Walthers Mainline cars have the roof and window glazing as one part (a la the old Rivarossis) while Proto cars (and, I believe, older 932-series cars) have a seperate roof. (Hence the “twist” method of disassembly doesn’t work the same way with the Mainlines – you have to twist while holding the steps instead of the whole carbody.)
Sounds like a lot of people are annoyed with teh OP, but I’ll post my experiences in case they help anyone:
Walthers Protos come with body-mount couplers, grab irons installed, roof and windows are separate.
Walthers Mainline cars come with truck-mount couplers and no grabs, and the roof and windows are one piece. A conversion kit adds grabs and body-mount couplers, but on a converted car you should see signs that the talgo mount was cut from the truck.
The older 932-series cars (beige/red box) have body-mount couplers. I’ve seen them with grabs factory installed or seperately applied. I can’t speak to the construction as I have not disassembled any, but I do believe the prototypes of the cars were different than the Mainline streamliners, which are mostly NYC cars. Many of the 932s I have (except the Slumbercoaches) are modeled after different prototypes than the Mainlines. (Besides NYC, I model Amtrak Phase 1, and pretty much all of the streamline cars are correct for Amtrak. [:)] )
My guess is that the 932s morphed into Protos, but I’m not 100% sure. Best way to check is to compare the window patterns.
I have a great book (Amtrak Car Diagrams of the 1970s, by Waymer Publications) that shows the window pattern (and interior layouts) of most of the cars Amtrak inhereted, and tells who originally owned the cars. It’s proven to be an invaluable resource in sussing out which prototype a m
I find it interesting that this subject posting has evolved into a ‘detective story’,…[:O][:)]
Brian noted: I never met the original owner who lived here in Florida. I have only purchased a number of very nice items from a relative of his who was selling at a train show. He was apparently a PROLIFIC collector of trains, and had a LOT of qualit
Some of the budd streamlined passenger cars Walthers released in the early 2000’s looked good, but were generic, ex: a coach or grill diner would be correct for NYC, but incorrect for SF. Whether the car was a baggage, rpo, coach, diner, sleeper, or observation, the same mold was used for each car. As time went on, later releases featured PS and ACF cars with more roadnames.
The 52 seat coach looked correct for eastern roads, but would require lots of work to be kitbashed into a protypical SF coach.
If I remember correctly the roadnames were: SF, SP, UP, NYC, PRR, SOU, SAL, ACL, CP, and AMTK.
I couldn’t resist a challenge, so I checked the Amtrak Diagram book. The Mainline dome is very close to a CB&Q dome (ex-coffee shop, I believe) from the KC Zephyr, but a couple of the windows at the B end on the left side of the car (only one side is shown in the book) are not a perfect match. Of course, if it was a CP car, it would not have made it to Amtrak.
Walthers actually had several runs of the ATSF Single Level Budd 46 seat coach, most recently in the single level El Capitan.
Walthers also had two different Eastern 52 seat coaches, a Budd, which was a SAL - RF&P - PRR build used on SAL trains out of New York, for Florida and Atlanta/Birmingham, and a PS 52 seat (divided) coach built for the C&O,as part of their big 1948 order. These coaches ended up on the DRGW, ACL/SAL/SCL, NKP, D&H and PC as well as Amtrak The Budds also made it to Amtrak.
The 52 seat Budd Coaches were one timers, while the PS cars, which have fluting only below the windows, were run numerous times, most recently as part of the George Washington.
Walthers has also run a B&O 56 seat coach, as part of the Capitol Limited Series.
Not sure what prototype they followed for the Budd Dome, but the CP Domes did show up on Amtrak’s Grand Central to Montreal Adirondak, (between Albany and Montreal). Amtrak leased the domes for food and lounge service. This lasted until the conventional train was replaced by a Turbotrain.
Walthers Mainline actually offers two coaches described as wide window (NYC 56 Seat) and narrow Window (SP Sunset). The Mainline NYC diner represents the full Budd diner, and is not a re-run of the Hamburger Grill offered in the 932 series.
