What do i need for nce to usb interface

I was hoping someone with a NCE system and a USB interface could fill me in a bit on how the setup works. I was watching some utube videos they say all i need if i already have a wireless router, a NCE powercab and a cell phone. All i need is the NCE USB interphase. To have a wireless throttle. I cant really find any info about the setup though, when i look at that all i see is a circuit board that has a phone jack on one side and a cat5 jack on the other.

Can someone tell me does it come with a cable that is cat5/USB or do i need to get some extra cables beyond the one i need to hook it to the nce bus on my layout.

do you need to run some softwear on your computer as well?

sounds like you want to use a smartphone (not just cell phone) as a wireless throttle.

the typically approach is to use JMRI’s wiFi throttle interface running on a PC or Raspberry PI and connect the Pi to the NCE cabbus using its USB interface.

there’s also the WFD-30 interface

You also need to run JMRI Engine Driver on the smartphone.

the PowerCab is limited to cab addresses 3, 4 and 5. The smartphone is presumably configued for one of these 3 addresses

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Thanks Greg. I ordered that interface. I could see from the video links you sent me that it was all i needed and a usb to printer cable. Ill do some reding on the jmri website to see what software i need .

Kim

Hello All,

Welcome!!!

You’ll need more than just the NCE USB Interface unit for PowerCab or PowerPro…

I use the NCE 5 Amp Power Pro wireless system.

My computer is an Apple Mac Mini (2023; with the M2 Chip).

I run JMRI DecoderPro, which is available for both Mac & PC.

From the JMRI DecoderPro web page, confirm you have the correct version of JAVA Script installed. (If needed, download and install the required version. This applies to both Mac and PC.)

Also, download and install any necessary “Drivers”. Updated mine today!

On my iPad Mini, I downloaded the full version of the WiThrottle app.

The iPad Mini is connected to the desktop via WiFi.

The desktop is connected to the NCE USB Interface for Power Cab unit with a USB/Printer cable.

If you are using a laptop, you will need a USB-A connection.

From the NCE USB Interface unit, a flat 6-pin cable connects to the left port of the UTP Panel on the facia.

The right port can be used to connect a ProCab or PowerCab throttle.

On the desktop- -Laptop- -open JMRI DecoderPro, go to the “Settings” panel.

The first pane is “Connections”.

Under “System Manufacturer” choose “NCE”. At this point, the header will be the default “Connection 1”.

Under “System Connection” choose “NCE USB”.

Under “Settings” > “Serial Port” choose the correct port. (For my Mac, it is “cu. usbserial-2330”).
“System” > “PowerCab”.
“USB Version” > “V7.x.x”
“Connection Prefix” > “N”
“Connection Name” > “NCE”

You will now be prompted to restart JMRI DecoderPro.

Restart JMRI DecoderPro.

Under “Actions” > “Start WiThrottle Services”. I recommend leaving this window open for the next step.

Open the WiThrottle app on your device.

It should prompt you to “Configure..” in the “Select Server” window.

Tap “Configure…” and enter the values from JMRI DecoderPro “Start WiThrottle Services”.

These might be different than the “Default” settings in WiThrottle.

Make sure that you include the port number, then hit “Connect”.

On the next screen, go to “Keypad” and enter the locomotive or NCE-created consist; which you built with the NCE throttle (cab), you wish to control with the first cab.

The full version of WiThrottle allows you to control two (2) locomotives or consists with a single device.

Choose the address you wish to enter “Short” or “Long”.

Enter the locomotive or NCE consist number.

Hit “Set”.

At the bottom of the app, hit “Throttle”.

If all went well, the left side of the screen should list the functions by their name, along with the locomotive, NCE-created consist number in green; “(L)” denoting a long address and an “(S)” denoting a short address.

To add or change the locomotive or NCE-created consist for that particular cab, go back to “Address” at the bottom of the app, and then hit the “Release” button.

To add a second locomotive or NCE-created consist, go back to the “Throttle” page and hit “Select” at the top of the cab.

Repeat the above steps to select and set a locomotive or NCE-created consist.

Return to the Throttle page and you should see both locomotives or NCE-created consist on the other cab controller.

The NCE ProCab or PowerPro throttles will work in parallel to these two cabs on the device, as long as each cab controls different locomotives or NCE-created consists, essentially giving you control over three (3) locomotives or NCE-created consists.

Hope this helps.

(Post Script: Full disclosure, I have not made these connections in a while. As I typed my response, I simultaneously walked throgh the instructions given and it all worked!)
HTH, JJDI.

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Thanks for all this information and startup guidance. I am beginning to realize i will begin a whole new learning curve as soon as i plug in that interface to my layout, It actually just arrived in the mail along with a bunch of insulated rail joiners i needed to finish up setting track. I have to admit i didn’t do much research before deciding on the purchase. I figured my old windows computer would be enough to work with it. But last week as i started looking into getting the software installed i realize my operating system is to old. (Windows7). Plan B is i have a macbook pro with Elcapitan OS and that should work. But for some reason it refused to install Java. Fortunately I’m a packrat and have yet a 3rd even older desktop mac, that is still new enough to install Java on so i think i am in the clear with that. As i have that installed now. I have yet to do enough research yet to figure out what version of JMRI as i have been to focused on getting the track work to the point that i can run a train completly around the setup.

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you don’t need a PC to run JMRI

a Pi is less expensive than a new PC

Yes i checked that out when you sent me the initial link. And it looks like the perfect option based on price. If I need to buy something because all my old boat anchors i have been saving don’t work. But i would have to look at that a bit more as i am assuming i would need some kind of operating system, and hope that i could plug in all the extras like monitor, keyboard, mouse. To it so as to get it up and running.

it runs off an SD card. you download the image and program the card using your PC.

it has a hdmi port for the display and USB port for the peripherals. But once you get JMRI installed, you configure it to automaitcally run JMRI and no longer need a display, keyboard, mouse

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I’ve used Raspberry Pis; the higher-end ones are comparable to a lower-end laptop. If you were to get one, I’d look at a Canakit, which gets you the card and power supply and so on and so forth. But there’s no sense in buying one if you already have a perfectly good computer lying around!

once a Pi configured and without a display/keyboard, it can be hung on the layout and forgotten about.

a spare PC will be to be turned on when operating the layout with smartphones.

That is partially true, as, in my experience, forgetting about a computer stuffed below a layout is the same as telling it, “Please ruin something difficult to repair right now”. I’ve been through similar travails with my 3D printer. Turning on a PC is not especially inconvenient, plus there are plenty of advantages to having a regular computer conveniently nearby.

huh?
don’t you have a DCC system under your layout?

the PC/Pi needs a connection, thru the NCE USB interface to the NCE cabbus on the layout. Would you now build a shelf for the PC/laptop, or have a wire running across ?? between the layout and table the PC sits on?

Not exactly. I do have a computer under my layout, but it’s not DCC.

That, right there, is exactly what I did. The computer is on my workbench, wires (need to–it’s not done yet) run up, over, and to the layout.

Hello All,

If you want to pursue the Mac laptop-based option…

Have you gone to the JMRI DecoderPro website, under the •Kick The Tires > •Install it on macOS?

When you click on that link, it brings up the macOS installation instructions, including installing older versions along with installing older forms of JAVA.

I have been on Macintosh computers since 1986.

The Mac El Capitan OS (v10.11) should support an older version of JAVA along with an older version of JMRI DecoderPro.

The Raspberry PI option that gregc has proposed seems to be the easiest.

I also have a standalone programming track that is driven by JMRI DecoderPro and a Digitrax PR3 (superceeded by the PR4).

Adding the peripherals to my existing system to run off of a smartphone or tablet was relatively easy, compared to beginning from scratch.

Hope this helps.

Thanks i’m sure it will.

I did a little looking at the site last night and i think i found the right version to download, i just need to relocate my current computer i have next to my layout already. And replace it with the Mac thats in the other room. Currently i have that old Windows system there as it is handy for dbl. checking my measurements on SCARM as i finish laying the track. (Almost done that.:slight_smile:

I could see the Raspberry being a great option for a stand alone setup but from what i have seen and heard about JMRI so far it looks like having a computer hooked up to the layout or on your work bench is pretty much a given these days if your tinkering with decoders.

you should be using JMRI decoderPro with a programming track separate from the layout.

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Thanks Greg yes i am now regretting not ordering an extra power panel at the same time.

I think it probably easiest to wire a second one into the system by adding a 6p2t switch like this

Directly inline by splicing into the line between both modules and splicing a second feed from the wall wart power supply to the new pannel. Or would you suggest a second power supply or some other system of isolation

what NCE system do you have?

track is just 2 conductors. why a 6 pole switch?

I have the starter system. I was thinking the 6 lines for the data cable to isolate panel controlling the programming track from the layout during programming. That way the usb interphase can be left connected down stream from the first power panel thats on the layout.

by starter system you mean the PowerCab?

can you post a drawing of what you have in mind? make clear the wires running between your layout and desk/table running between it and the layout

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