Will Lionel ...Add quality or price to K-Line products ?

Doug, I beg to differ. Lower prices were a big part of K-Line’s marketing strategy. Had their list prices been equal to Lionel’s they probably wouldn’t have had the sales they did have.

The problem was too much new expensive tooling all aimed at the high end buyer, and all issued too fast to allow those products to generate the revenue needed to pay for the tooling. With all the overall indsutry wide emphasis on these high end products, there are simply not enoguh buyers for all of them, without some of them having to become blowouts. Read those wish lists on the OGR forum… the vast majority of them are selfish, impractical, not worth bringing to market and will NEVER generate the necessary sales to pay for their development. Unless they are priced accordingly to those investment costs - and they means no one will buy them.

For example, there’s a lot of moaning wishing there was a scale sized centercab switcher available. There IS! But it’s brass and it’s NOT cheap. But it’s made and availalble. You can’t have it both ways… the train companies cannot make everything that buyers say they want, and sell those items at prices that reflect a mass market interest. The Lionel Dockside Switcher is probably priced lower than Lionel would wish. But the lower price along with the compromises in scale detail gives it appeal to both high and low end buyers. Meaning it has the potential to make money!

K-Line also more or less abandoned the non-scale, traditionally sized product buyers who had been the back-bone of their sales, until the very end. (And the Hsky line was a wasted effort that was only done because the tooling was previously made by the Chinese). The brew-ha-ha with K-Line’s theft of Lionel engineering material was just another nail in the coffin that speeded the process up. That and the utterly poor handling of the original agreement between Lionel and MDK, which sealed their fate.

Another huge mistake was the later KCC offerings. Original

LIONEL wouldn’t dare raise their prices. RRRIIGHT?! That 's why they closed down their AMERICAN manufacturing plant in favor of mainland CHINA, to better keep up with market demands. RRRIIGHT?!

My less than educated guess is that they will take K-LINE’s lead in repackaging LEMAX products and selling them at a high price. Anyone wanna bet?

I just hope there is more packaging. We need more packaging. RRRIIGHT?! [}:)]

Of course Lionel will jack the prices sky high … they no longer have K-Line with all the same quality or even better … to compete with . And the thousands of buyers with plastic cards in hand and little common sense will keep letting them do it ! I think it was that more people did’nt realize K-Line was a great buy and went other directions at the cash register. They were the only manufacturer that had all the bells and whistles with little to none of the severe problems of the other train company . " NOT TO MENTION NAMES OR BE ACCUSED OF BASHING " but buyers kept buying inferior engines with all kinds of problems from the wrong company . In my opinion the wrong company went down ! Now Lionel has no real threat from anyone . Their Lionel/K-Line engines are superb and extremely reliable and that’s what I look for and will pay a abit more for . I don’t want to buy an engine brand new and have to keep ripping it apart to change internal electronics and soundboards to do what should have been done at the factory . One company gave us an almost perfect unit and one gave us a faulty – outdated – unreliable one and kept telling us the next one will be better and never rectified the lousey ones — and many bought them anyway . Don’t blast Lionel … it was the dim wittedness of the consumer who did this to themselves . It was a sad day when K-Line went down and we’ll pay the price from now on.