Does it smoke?
Based on the list of features on thier web site, no, no smoke.
Why? is that a deal breaker? If I bought one it would not have DCC or sound, I would would buy the DC version…
But that’s just me…
Sheldon
Gary, I am puzzled by that as well. Maybe Jason felt he needed to see the overlap on a die-hard diesel forum to get a sense of how strongly the interest in his offerings would be across the hobby. I guess that most of us dabble in a bit of diesel or steam, even if we concentrate on one. I would love to get an SD70M-2 as I really like that chiseled nose. It’s like a modern battle tank’s glacis plate. But I need to save up for the H1b version of the Hudson from Rapido, the version like CPR 2816. Now, maybe I’ll have to settle for a used brass one. I hope not.
-Crandell
Not at all, Brent. In fact, I was just posting without a mind as to who had said what, but wanted to give some history about the gussied up look the royals were given. Thanks for interjecting more history of your own. And I envy you your ancestry with respect to steamer maintenance. [8D]
Thanks
Keep in mind what was shown is a pre-production model. That said, Jason will make sure his Royal Hudson will be detailed to match the prototype.
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I hesistate to point out, though, that Jason has asked ‘the question’ on at least one hobby forum. The Altas Rescue Forum is a diesel forum because, at least over the 12 years I have been in the hobby, that series of discussions is about all you ever see there. Anyway, Jason asked those members if they think steam is largely done in the hobby, or about to be done.
He wouldn’t have asked that question unless he is wondering if he may be biting off more than he can chew with continuing to develop high-caliber HO steam, especially for the even smaller market (potentially) of those who would want to fork out for Canadian steam locomotives.
I wonder why he picked that forum, then? I’m on some other forums, and on one of them many people are discussing modeling depression era and asking for smaller steam…
Gary, I am puzzled by that as well. Maybe Jason felt he needed to see the overlap on a die-hard diesel forum to get a sense of how strongly the interest in his offerings would be across the hobby. I guess that most of us dabble in a bit of diesel or steam, even if we concentrate on one. I would love to get an SD70M-2 as I really like that chiseled nose. It’s like a modern battle tank’s glacis plate. But I need to save up for the H1b version of the Hudson from Rapido, the version like CPR 2816. Now, maybe I’ll have to settle for a used brass one. I hope not.
-Crandell
I have seen him post on the Atlas Rescue Forum many times over the past few years. He does post there because until now his product has been non-steam, and many members there are heavily into the transition era diesels and on until the late 80’s or so, which he populates as a supplier.
What I meant by my comment is that it seems puzzling to me that he has not posed his question over on MRH or any of the other forums I visit daily, including this one.
Hopefully this will be better than the true line trains U 2 g 4 8 4. It already looking good from the video
Reading made a few too, only they didn’t work very well and were soon rebuilt as 4-4-2’s
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/rdg110s.jpg
Original name for the type actually was the Reading type.
–Randy
I agree with you, Jim. I log into Diesel Detailer, and it’s the same login as ARF, (same forum sponsor/owner?) so I also check in there. Jason does participate a lot in there.
As I’ve said, I only have a few of his freight cars.
Mike.
My guess is Jason probably expects a much more predictable answer from forums which are heavy with steam fans?
Also, IIRC, it was his concern that the steam fans are largely people of an age which are rapidly disappearing assuming the majority (more than half) are people who remember steam in regular service from their younger years.
Doing the basic math and ignoring outlyers… Assuming the vast majority of steam was out of regulary mainline service around 1956, most people would would probably have had to be born in the late 1940’s to have any decent memories of it, being say, at least 7 or 8 years old during the last year or two of mainline regular operation. I’d roughly guess the lower end of that generation which remembers steam is around 70 give or take, and the middle of the pack 80.
Based on Jasons comments, I got the impression he was concerned that the biggest purchasing base is going to be fading fairly quickly during the next 5-10 years. As a manufacturer, he is thinking about how long you can make product of which demand is, by his feelings, going to drop off.
The above being an assumpsion, I think he came to ARF because he see’s the modelers who are generally in the group preceding the steam generation to get their thoughts, because they, and the generation even before them, also diesel fans by and large, will be the purchasers of the future, after the steam people have aged out and are no longer buyers.
So it may have been on purpose Jason not asking questions in the forums heavier with steam fans.
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What I meant by my comment is that it seems puzzling to me that he has not posed his question over on MRH or any of the other forums I visit daily, including this one.
My guess is Jason probably expects a much more predictable answer from forums which are heavy with steam fans?
Also, IIRC, it was his concern that the steam fans are largely people of an age which are rapidly disappearing assuming the majority (more than half) are people who remember steam in regular service from their younger years.
Doing the basic math and ignoring outlyers… Assuming the vast majority of steam was out of regulary mainline service around 1956, most people would would probably have had to be born in the late 1940’s to have any decent memories of it, being say, at least 7 or 8 years old during the last year or two of mainline regular operation. I’d roughly guess the lower end of that generation which remembers steam is around 70 give or take, and the middle of the pack 80.
Based on Jasons comments, I got the impression he was concerned that the biggest purchasing base is going to be fading fairly quickly during the next 5-10 years. As a manufacturer, he is thinking about how long you can make product of which demand is, by his feelings, going to drop off.
The above being an assumpsion, I think he came to ARF because he see’s the modelers who are generally in the group preceding the steam generation to get their thoughts, because they, and the generation even before them, also diesel fans by and large, will be the purchasers of the future, after the steam people have aged out and are no longer buyers.
So it may have been on purpose Jason not asking questions in the forum
Definitely not an age thing. For many young people, the only real expsoure they have to trains is not a modern SD70ACe roaring down the main, it’s tourist railroads, where the trains are often pulled by steam locos.
–Randy
You don’t have to buy into it; the topic was started by Jason, who seemed to be concerned about the status of transition. The question is what does he buy into?
I don’t think it is a coincidence that topic being raised because his steam project has come up at about the same time and he seems to be thinking about that in the context of the transition era discussion.
Where is the steam part and what does the future hold? Is transition in decline and thus will modelers be buying steam at the same rate. If it is in decline, how long will the demand hold out before it tails off? Only time will tell of course - no one has a crystal ball and not everyone can be right.
Sure, of course there are 70 and 80 year old diesel only fans - and diesels were around when they were young. Jedi Hand Wave But Jason wasn’t asking about that - he was asking about steam to diesel trainsition. In otherwords both, not one without the other. But steam is an integral part and with the Rapido steam series getting under way finally, there is the tie-in probably.
Obviously there are people into transition and steam who were not alive to see it for themselves in regular mainline operation too, but are they the minority of steam fans? Are they less than half? Probably, as common sense would seem to dictate, but without a statistically significant sample, neither of us can prove who is right about that. We can come up with many anecdotal stories and examples to support our side, but where are the hard numbers, the percentages?
Anyway, my guess is Jason asked his question on ARF for his own reasons, but logically he wanted the opinion of members of a f
Not sure I get this subtle nuance about the transistion era?
If you model the early 50’s you likely model steam and diesel.
If you model the 40’s you still model steam and diesel with a slighly different percentage balance.
If you model the 30’s then diesels are new and rare.
But after about 1940, or 1945, the construction or advancements in steam were very small.
And a great number of steam locos from the mid/late 30’s, and even a few from the 20’s, worked virtually unchanged until retirement in the mid 50’s.
Point being, a great many of the steam models out there cover a wide range of eras, some include a lot of diesels, some don’t.
So the same steam model that would be at home on my 1954 layout, maybe close to its retirement, would be just as at home as a brand new loco on a layout set in 1935.
I do believe from what I have heard, the transition era remains most popular among modelers, even if those number have droped off - go back to my first post - more choices of eras as time advances, less percentages of modelers in each group, even if total number of modelers increase…
Sheldon
…or, it could be a crafty marketing strategy to get people talking about the Rapido Icons of Steam Project (RISP). [:-^]
Actually the ‘real’ Jubilees were better than ‘half a T1’, probably superior in a number of ways to a Milwaukee class A (with the larger grate area and better firebox circulation possible with the two-axle trailing truck, and maintaining the lightweight rod arrangement with the main rod acting on the leading driver pair). They were probably the pinnacle of lightweight high-speed steam power for relatively short streamlined trains, analogues of the original Hiawatha consists. I am regrettably unaware of a concerted Canadian effort to use them that way; someone enlighten me.
(YES, I’d put down deposits for a couple if Rapido were to propose making them … and I don’t model any Canadian prototypes in general. (The later Jubilee class with lower drivers were just toy Pacific-size engines with a driver axle omitted, by comparison…)
The Reading 4-4-4 was only in the Jubilee category by courtesy, bearing the same relationship to the ‘real thing’ that the Nord Baltics did to the early Hudsons (including the MILW ‘Baltic’ F6) which had delta-style trailers. Reading had a real problem understanding practical locomotive dynamics in those years (their novel excuse for a ten-coupled locomotive lead truck in this same era being one of the great unmitigated disasters in locomotive design) and putting a pin-guided, inside-bearing Adams truck under both front and rear of even the best Reading Atlantic (and they arguably had among the best!) was NOT an answer. (When the Germans tried this a couple of decades later they actually had to use an air cylinder to shift the trailing-truck pivot point to make the thing stable even at 80mph or so.) This aside from the fact that their 4-4-4 looked as if it were propped up and teetering even when standi
Here is the production schedule. I wish I wasn’t so old.[(-D]
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I’m getting sweet on those Jubilee Class 4-4-4 greyhounds. It seems to me the Pennsy made two of them under one boiler. They called it the T1.
Actually the ‘real’ Jubilees were better than ‘half a T1’, probably superior in a number of ways to a Milwaukee class A (with the larger grate area and better firebox circulation possible with the two-axle trailing truck, and maintaining the lightweight rod arrangement with the main rod acting on the leading driver pair). They were probably the pinnacle of lightweight high-speed steam power for relatively short streamlined trains, analogues of the original Hiawatha consists. I am regrettably unaware of a concerted Canadian effort to use them that way; someone enlighten me.
(YES, I’d put down deposits for a couple if Rapido were to propose making them … and I don’t model any Canadian prototypes in general. (The later Jubilee class with lower drivers were just toy Pacific-size engines with a driver axle omitted, by comparison…)
The Reading 4-4-4 was only in the Jubilee category by courtesy, bearing the same relationship to the ‘real thing’ that the Nord Baltics did to the early Hudsons (including the MILW ‘Baltic’ F6) which had delta-style trailers. Reading had a real problem understanding practical locomotive dynamics in those years (their novel excuse for a ten-coupled locomotive lead truck in this same era being one of the great unmitigated disasters in locomotive design) and putting a pin-guided, inside-bearing Adams truck under both front and rear of even the best Reading Atlantic (and they arguably had among the best!) was NOT an answer. (When the Germans tried this a couple of decades later they actually had t
Ditto!