Hello everyone! I wanted to reach out to see if anyone knew where this drawing may be located for a full elevation/possible profiles for 3751? SBRHS has a pamphlet with just a portion of it and said they can’t find the full diagram. Thank you!
Without actually doing the search in the rrmagazines index – look at Model Railroader issues in 1993. That copyright notice is suggestive.
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I checked every month for 1993 and it wasn’t present in any of them. Any idea on where else it should be?
Hopefully someone from Firecrown will chime in, if none of our ‘regulars’ do, and tell which issue had the drawings.
Have you contacted the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society?
Rich
Just grab your copy of the 1938 Locomotive Builders Cyclopedia and flip to page 207:
If your local library doesn’t happen to have a copy on the shelf (darned kids never return books on time!) you can find a scan at Google Books.
The above pages are simply screen captures. I did download the entire .pdf (473 MB!) and I’ll see if I can extract a better resolution image from that.
Regards, Ed
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I extracted the two pages shown above and they look a bit sharper at 6600 dpi as I uploaded them to Flickr where you can then download them from my page there (click the image)
Locomotive_Cyclopedia_of_American_Practi.pdf by Edmund, on Flickr
Locomotive_Cyclopedia_of_American_Practi.pdf by Edmund, on Flickr
There may be more in the '38 Cyc but I didn’t go digging as yet.
Hope that helps, Ed
Ed, I hate to say this after all the trouble you went through, but that drawing is the clunky old 73"-drivered “Heavy Mountain” of the late 1920s. He wants the late-'30s or '41 rebuild with 80" drivers etc.h
Well, he’s got a good starting point nonetheless 
I looked in the Kalmbach Model Railroader Cyclopedia, L.H. Westcott, and there are a few pages covering the later three classes. There’s a drawing of the 3780 in there but that’s about the extent.
Regards, Ed
There might be something in the '41 Cyc, which I believe was reprinted and might be easy to find – that was about the time that rebuilding older engines for high performance was becoming more frequent. I’ll check my '47 Cyc to see if anything is there.
There were similar rebuildings (twice) the C&NW H class, the 1948 version producing one of the great unsung classes of locomotive.
Here in the meantime is Lloyd Stagner’s short history of 3751:
HISTORY : SANTA FE 3751 : EQUIPMENT : San Bernardino Railroad Historical Society.
My '41 Cyc is what referenced me to the 1938 volume. I’ll take another closer look but I don’t recall seeing any mention of the rebuild in there.
Regards, Ed
I’m a bit late to this discussion, but there is another source worth mentioning.
The book “Steam Locomotives of the Santa Fe, a former shopman’s scrapbook” by Frank Ellison, published by Railroad Car Press includes a number of drawings of the 3751 class 4-8-4s throughout their lives, although not one of 3751 in the condition desired. It does have, both inside and on the front cover, a drawing of 3752 in its final condition. This is generally like 3751 but of course it was fitted with Franklin poppet valves. It appears that the 3751 class were progressively altered into the condition that 3751 now exists. The drawing showing the modification to 80" driving wheels is dated April 1937. This version retains the two sand domes of the original 3751 class and the Elesco feed water heater, now placed on top of the smokebox. It appears that later locomotives received Worthington feed water heaters, and later larger single sand domes were fitted, resulting in the final arrangement.
It is probablyworth pointing out that the 3751 class looked very similar to the later 3765 class which was built with the larger driving wheels.. The main difference would appear to be that the 3751 class retained the original boiler, which had a shorter combustion chamber than the 3765 class, and since the length between tubeplates was the same, the 3751 class had a longer smokebox to make up the same overall length. In my opinion, you could probably number an HO model of a 3765 as a 3751 and most people wouldn’t notice.
However, Ellison’s book does contain a lot of useful data on these Santa Fe 4-8-4s.
Peter
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