i want to make a o scale casey jr, how do you think i should build it
Pardon my ignorance (since I’ve only been a model railroader since 1937):
Who or what is a Casey, Junior? Which (prototype) railroad operated it?
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
I would assume that yugioh wants to match the Disney attraction, which was originally a train in a cartoon.
Credit for creating the Casey Jr. character is generally given to Ward Kimball, a Walt Disney associate who kept a remarkable collection of 1:1 scale railroad equipment in his own huge backyard, eventually donating at least some of it to the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, Calif. Mr. Kimball was also the trombonist in the Dixieland musical group, Fivehouse Five plus Two.
Didn’t Mantua or some such producer of die cast locomotives produce a small/medium-sized ten-wheeler in HO it called the Casey Jones some decades back ? As I recall, it was a generic model and wasn’t based on the ten-wheeler that engineer Casey Jones rode to his death.
Mark
This thread does not belong in the “prototype information for the modeler” thread.
[|(] Mark the grump
I dunno, Mark. I think that it has something to do with cloning. [swg]
Wayne
Course now I’m going to have song going thru my head all day…“Casey Junior’s comin’ down the track…”!! [{(-_-)}]
Since there is a Casey Jr it is a prototype, and now somebody wants to model it, so I guess this is the right place for the question. The only problem is, we can’t be very helpful!
But somehow I suspect that maybe something out of the Bachmann On30 line could be the basis for a colorful amusement park type locomotive that would come close. Or am I thinking of the locomotive from “Dumbo?”
The other alternative is that our friend wants to model a figure based on a son of Casey Jones. Which reminds me that as a boy I had a children’s record of train songs – yellow plastic – and its version of Casey Jones included the lines “Hush up children and stop your cryin’, For you’ve got another poppa on the Salt Lake line.” Pretty racy stuff for a kiddie record. I had no idea what they were singing about anyway.
Dave Nelson
thanks anyway i’ll try my best
It’s the same engine. “Casey Jr.” pulled the circus train in the movie “Dumbo” in the forties, when Disneyland opened in the fifties they used Jr. as the basis of one of the rides.
BTW apparently Accucraft made a model of Casey Jr., tried finding a pic on the web but nothing so far.
Early Casey Jr. Video (with Little Toot cameo) [swg]
At the time the real Casey Jones died (April 1900) his wife was only in her twenties, and lived into the 1950’s IIRC. She apparently was very upset about that line in the song, and I believe sued the publisher or something to try to get them to remove it. Probably because of that, many recordings of the song don’t use that line. The Casey Jones song’s melody and some of the words were based on an earlier song (or a couple of earlier songs) and so the line may have originally come from the earlier songs.
Like it or not, Casey Jr is a real train engine, albeit an Amusement park ride, but thats still something on rails… so, YEAH it does belong here:
Accucraft did make a version for G gauge track, heres the best images I have found on it from Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri5qKpkK7xQ&feature=related
Here is a good side view of the model
http://www.flickr.com/photos/webmikey/61044995/
Front
http://www.discoverlivesteam.com/magazine/13/CaseyJR.jpg
If your daring enough, it shouldnt be too hard to take a standard O gauge mechanism, and build a styrene body on top of it, the Accucraft model shows how simplified the body really is. the boiler can be PVC plumbing pipe, I dont model O, so I cant help with with sizes but the side view above gives a good reference for scale and sizing, copy and save it, print it then use your O drive as a basis, and adjust the scale accordingly, good luck!
PS here’s my Casey on a 20" diameter microlayout track [;)]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2r3zG54EW1M
[:D]
That line was NOT part of the original lyric (which was written by, and from the point of view of, Casey’s fireman, Sim Webb.) It comes from a parody, Casey Jones the Union Fink, written by a West Coast railroader during a strike (against the SP, IIRC.) That tag line somehow attached itself to the original lyrics, while the rest of the mean-spirited, scurrilous and outright false verbiage of the parody has vanished into well-deserved oblivion.
What that blot on the Left Coast horizon didn’t know (and obviously didn’t care) was that John Luther ‘Casey’ Jones was a staunch union man who retained membership in the Brotherhood of Firemen and Enginemen even after he had joined the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers.
On the subject of Casey, Jr., since it is a Disney creation, the very first move should be to contact the Disney Corporation. Disney is VERY protective of their copyrights! A military organization I once belonged to used a Disney cartoon character
thanks guys your the best
Vsmith, you are making me dizzy!
Mark
I’ve got that parody version of the song in a songbook of railroad songs. He didn’t come out to well in the hands of the Greatful Dead either. (“Driving that train, high on cocaine…”) BTW because of the dual-union membership, his widow got survivor’s benefits/pensions from both unions.
The “original” Casey Jones song was based on (IIRC) “Johnny Jones, the Brave Engineer” and “Been on the Cholly Too Long” which were similar to each other, kinda two versions of the same song. (I guess “Cholly” (“Charlie”) was a slang term for being on a drunk 100 years ago.) Oddly enough, Casey’s name was Johnny Jones - John Luther Jones. They called him Casey because he was from Cayce, Mississippi and there were several John Jones working on the IC at that time. (FWIW Casey Stengel was Charles Dillon Stengel, they called him Casey in baseball because he always bragged about being from Kansas City - “K.C.”)
One thing I’d love to see again on TV was an “On the Road” report that Charles Kuralt did in the late sixties or early seventies on CBS. He went to Mississippi and talked to an old black gentleman, a retired railroader who in 1900 was I think a callboy on the IC and knew Casey Jones quite well. Apparently everyone who knew Casey liked and respected him. He must have been an imposing figure for the time, being 6’-4". (BTW in the pics I’ve seen of him, I notice he looks a little like Cal Ripken Jr.)
p.s. it was Wallace Saunders, a roundhouse worker who knew Casey, who wrote the song, not firemen Webb. [:)]
You start with a three inch square brass bar about a foot long and start filing away everthing that doesn’t belong on casey jr! Don’t file away too much or you’ll wind up with casey jr jr!
Apparently at one time there was a “Casey Jr. and Friends” animated TV show for kids. I don’t remember it but maybe some of our younger forumites do?? Sounds like it was in the last 10 years or so.
Stix,
We had ‘Lunch with Casey’ on a local TV show for many years in the Mpls/StP area.
http://www.lunchwithcasey.com/
Casey Jr was a homebuilt rail bus that operatedon the 3’ gauge Silverton Northern line. It has been restored to running condition.
http://www.silvertonstandard.com/archive/x1763541172/RETURN-OF-THE-CASEY-JONES
Jim Bernier
Yup, I met Casey (Roger Awsumb) many times, even have some newspaper clippings with pics of me next to him at public appearances. (I wore the full railroader’s outfit like “Casey” did so they usually tried to get me in the pics.)
Looks like that railcar is called the “Casey Jones”, Casey Jr. was a cartoon character from “Dumbo” and later a Disneyland ride.
The town Casey was named after is in Kentucky actually. There is a yahoo group on Casey Jones run by Mr Gurner.His father was used in the story on Casey in Trains on the 100th aniversary of the wreck.
Casey was a good guy, and the song originally done was by Wallace as stated above.Fireman Webb just talked about working with Casey,and had nothing to do with the song. I do recall Mrs Jones telling flagman Newberry ( who came asking for permission to use Caseys name for a book so he could make some money) if you would have flagged that train and done your job my Husband would be alive today. This of course has lead to all kinds of trouble in figuring who was at fault.I think it was a comedy of errors and it all lead to what happened.
Casey jr’s scene in Dumbo was a favorite as a young railfan.