Cat's whiskers!

[Mookie]

You brave souls that are into twisting Mookie’s tail had better be ready to face the other end of the tail…

Mookie

[M636C]

Sorry, I’d forgotten about the substitution of the Cigar Band stripes! I think all freight F3s and F7s had the so called cat’s whiskers, but the few freight F9s may have been built with the “Cigar Band”. I think all the blue and yellow cab units did get “Cigar bands”, including the FTs.

Only hood units were painted black and silver, no cab units, except the odd 2610, ex passenger unit 10, was black and silver.

Peter

[Modelcar]

…Outback restaurant steaks do have a different taste but I have no idea where they come from…and if any connection to down under…Here in Muncie we have a restaurant at our airport that serves “Australian Sirloin” steaks and they have a different taste and I’ve tried them many times but again have no idea if there is any connection to Australia. The airport facility is not a chain franchise…it is local.

[mudchicken]

I worked on ATSF and NEVER heard the freight scheme being referred to as Cats Whiskers …and Kozzie dude - Have you ever seen the Black/White/Silver or Black/White/Orange striped schemes that Chico initially applied to his diesels (complete with white and blue box herald?)??? (EMD EA’s 1 & 1A “Amos & Andy” had all 4 variations over their careers)

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

I worked on ATSF and NEVER heard the freight scheme being referred to as Cats Whiskers …and Kozzie dude - Have you ever seen the Black/White/Silver or Black/White/Orange striped schemes that Chico initially applied to his diesels (complete with white and blue box herald?)??? (EMD EA’s 1 & 1A “Amos & Andy” had all 4 variations over their careers)

[:)]Hey Mudchicken, [:I] who do you mean when you say Chico? [:I][:I]

If you want to see the name of the colour scheme in print, look in the Aug 04 issue of MR mag. [;)]
Turn to page 7, there’s a full page ad by Athearn about their Genesis F units.

Dave[;)] [:)]

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill

Chico is a cartoon character of a Navajo boy that figured in Santa Fe advertising in the 1950s and 60s – perhaps earlier. He’d appear doing things like making a sand painting saying “Santa Fe” as a freight train goes by in the background. Type chico and “santa fe” into google on the IMAGES link and it will show you about 30 different versions.

“Cat’s Whiskers” is not a paint-scheme name I have ever heard of in 30 years. I groan at the thought of yet another invented name for something that already has one.

Mark and mudchicken, maybe Atheran dreamed it up for their advertisement???

Dave

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill

No. It’s Santa Fe. It way predates Athearn.

[;)] [:)] Mark - I was referring to the term “Cat Whisker” used by Athearn in their ad, not the actual striped colour scheme heh heh [;)] [:)]

Dave [:)][;)]

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill

Got it. Model railroading does a lot of that, i.e., invent labels for things in the prototype world so it can discriminate between things visually. Model railroading has an almost entirely visual relationship to the object, whereas real railroading has an almost entirely functional relationship to the object. The epitome of this are the “Phase” descriptions model railroaders apply to GP9s, GP30s, etc., which have zero correlation to anything that matters to a railroad, which couldn’t care less if there are two small grills on one GP9 and one big one on another. The flip side of that is that the differences that matter to railroaders are impossible for modelers to capture – there’s no way you can effectively model automatic transistion vs. manual, or a larger aux generator in a GP9, or a EM2000 control vs. the static card controls, or even more simply, a D27 traction motor vs. a D77: they’re in the same case.

I don’t have any problem with model railroaders inventing these labels if it makes sense for them, but I think they might want to be more careful with it. At best, taking the model railroad language into the real railroad world results in some hilariously incoherent conversations – like this one! I suggest that the more that model railroaders invent their own language, the more they will isolate themselves from the railroad objects they are modeling, and the less they will understand of it.

Yes…and confuse poor folk like me who think it’s a valid name from part of e.g. Santa Fe’s history …anyway., it’s been an interesting thread all the same[:)]

Dave

[locomutt]

Kozzie,
Don’t feel bad about that post. Sometimes the manufactors get the best of us.
I remember “several” years ago that a certain maker did a C&O car,swore by
everything that it was correct,down to the last detail. Well turns out it wasn’t.
And “I” have still never heard that phrase for that paint scheme for the AT&SF.

You win some,you lose some,some you just learn from.[:)]

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt

Kozzie,
Don’t feel bad about that post. Sometimes the manufactors get the best of us.
I remember “several” years ago that a certain maker did a C&O car,swore by
everything that it was correct,down to the last detail. Well turns out it wasn’t.
And “I” have still never heard that phrase for that paint scheme for the AT&SF.

You win some,you lose some,some you just learn from.[:)]

Yes Walt - too true - certainly learned something here heh heh.[:)][;)]

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Kozzie

QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill

Got it. Model railroading does a lot of that, i.e., invent labels for things in the prototype world so it can discriminate between things visually. Model railroading has an almost entirely visual relationship to the object, whereas real railroading has an almost entirely functional relationship to the object. The epitome of this are the “Phase” descriptions model railroaders apply to GP9s, GP30s, etc., which have zero correlation to anything that matters to a railroad, which couldn’t care less if there are two small grills on one GP9 and one big one on another. The flip side of that is that the differences that matter to railroaders are impossible for modelers to capture – there’s no way you can effectively model automatic transistion vs. manual, or a larger aux generator in a GP9, or a EM2000 control vs. the static card controls, or even more simply, a D27 traction motor vs. a D77: they’re in the same case.

I don’t have any problem with model railroaders inventing these labels if it makes sense for them, but I think they might want to be more careful with it. At best, taking the model railroad language into the real railroad world results in some hilariously incoherent conversations – like this one! I suggest that the more that model railroaders invent their own language, the more they will isolate themselves from the railroad objects they are modeling, and the less they will understand of it.

Yes…and confuse poor folk like me who think it’s a valid name from part of e.g. Santa Fe’s history …anyway., it’s been an interesting thread all the same[:)]

Dave

It’s interesting that you quote about the GP-9s. I have 3 of them in the works right now,
and have done some research on GP-9,&7s and found that a GP-7 has 3-4 louveres,
under the cab,wheree a GP-9 has 1,or two.