The Atlantic Shore Line Ry was a consolidation of smaller companies. The ROW used by Seashore was abandoned by ASL in 1927, but the company continued operation in Sanford until after WWII. It wasn’t Canadian owned, but you’r getting warmer (or colder, which is more likely in Maine). The International Railway in Niagara Falls had some Canadian ownership, but was also partly in Canada.
The interurban I’m looking for interchanged with its owner on the U.S. side of the border. It also used a paint color that any Canadian would readily identify with its parent.
Aroostook Valley Railroad
The Aroostook Valley was a CP subsidiary, surviving on lumber and potatoes. A 1200 volt line, it was dieselized in 1946. AVRR combines 70 and 71 are both at Seashore Trolley Museum, with 70 operational but waiting on interior work.
If one rides Brooklyn’s Brighton Line between Avenue H and Ocean Parkway, where the line is four tracks on a raised embankment, now used by the B and Q lines, but with a history of D, QB, QT, and 1, one can see a few remaining signs at bridges over streets that the embankment was once wider, accomodating two additional tracks on the east side. What tracks were there? Who owned them? Where did the trains come from and go to? What equipment was used?
This was the The New York and Manhattan Beach Railroad. Developed by one Austin Corben. When the Brighton Line was elevated in 1907(?), by then it was a branch of the Long Island RR (LIRR). It connected to the Bay Ridge branch of the LIRR . Originally ran to Greenpoint. Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Beach_Branch Thx IGN
Equipment. Originally ran as a 3ft railway with Mason Bogie steam locomotives. http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,264479 Thx IGN
Correct, your question. Before it was elevated, there were crossovers around Kings Highway so that elevated trains from Park Row and downtown Brooklyn, via the Fulton Steet elevated and the Brighton Line, could run to Manhattan Beach. I don’t know if this was a scheduled service or just special moves, but I believe trolley wire was installed south of these crossovers to the Manhattan Bach terminal for these trains. The LIRR also had standard gauge Forney tank locmotives.
Dave I spent a couple of nites looking thru various sites on the Manhatttan Beach. O
Originally Andrew Corbin had Narrow Gauge cars with vestibules, not open platform cars. It must have been an interesting operation in its early days as Mr Corbin wanted a first class operation.
The Long Island RR site had a piece
http://www.lirrhistory.com/nymbry.html
also there are Bob Emery’s track maps from 1924
http://www.lirrhistory.com/mbry1924maps.htm
Between that and the Narrow Gauge discussion group a fascinating history. And a lot of interesting reading.
Thx IGN
And a question. I don’t know if this would be considered right for this forum as it is and is not within the time frame.But here goes What is currently believed to be the oldest electric streetcar built as an electric.(built as such not to be hauled behind another method and pulled then converted to electric)… This streetcar is still in service(on an occasional basis) in the city it was built for!! Rgds IGN
If it’s not in our time frame it sure was once.
Market Street Railway 578, a single-truck “California Car” with a resemblance to a cable car of the same era, was built in 1896 by Hammond, a major west coast builder of horse and cable cars. Acquired by SF Muni 1n 1944 along with the rest of the Market St Ry. (a successor to the original) it was used in work service as a sand car from about 1908 to 1956, when it was restored by Muni for a parade commemorationg the 1906 earthquake. It sat at the Western Railway Museum in Rio Vista from 1957 to 1984 when it was brought back to San Francisco, and is used occasionally in F-Line special service.
All this from http://www.streetcar.org/streetcars/578-578s-msry-dinky/ and a couple of other sources.
I was not sure how long it would take to get an answer. 578 is a fun little car to operate. I’d run it any number of times at Rio Vista. One other footnote Richard Nixon rode on 578 in 1956 when he ran for reelection as VP. 578 is a very simple car. An early version GE K controller. Hand brake(lever like a cable car). During its time at Rio Vista we put some old style low wattage carbon filament bulbs in it. It was a treat to look at nite. All things considered it is a surprise to have lasted as long as it has. First a lot of Market St Ry cars were wrecked or burned during the 1906 earthquake and fire. Then the lasted as a sandcar for 30 some odd years on Market St and Muni. Then in 1956 it was rebuilt back to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the 1906 earthquake and fire. According to lore Charley Smallwood tucked it away with a few other gems in the back corners of one of Muni’s shops. When the car returned to San Francisco during the rebuild of the cable car system 578 was run on Market St. Then it was run under the Embarcadero Fwy(now gone thanks to the wrecking ball of the 1989 earthquake) with a generator. Now it gets run from time to time along the Embarcadero from downtown up to Fisherman’s Wharf. RCDye your question. Thx IGN
All trains headed for this western city, regardless of railroad or origin, were headed in the same timetable direction.
That sounds like San Francisco–even though most trains headed for the city never reached it (unless you count the service that ran from San Jose to the City).
This is a description of both San Francisco and Oakland, Ca Rgds IGN
Johnny has it correct. Even though Oakland was the actual destination of many trains, the timetable direction was based on the idea that the Ferry Building in San Francisco was the actual train destination.
This applied to WP, AT&SF and SN trains as well. NWP had used north- and southbound at one time, but by the turn of the century it, too had adopted San Francisco as the “West Pole”.
I will withdraw both San Francisco and Oakland from the list on 2nd thought and a little research. 1 Oakland. The Bay Bridge went west by timetable from Oakland to San Francisco. On it traveled the trains of the Key System, the SP’s Interurban Electric Ry, and the Sacramento Northern. 2. San Francisco. The Ocean Shore by timetable one went Westbound to Pacifica and Half Moon Bay. Rgds IGN PS I’m looking to see where the end of the line was. Also I would think some of the either GN or NP branch lines in Oregon or Washington.
oldest streetcars built for electric operation, Lynchburg, VA, then Wildwood, NJ, single-truck open No 34 at Branford (Shore Line Trolley Musuem) and the oldest, a Providence, RI, United Railways single-truck closed car there, 1889, I believe.
Eighty plus years ago, Pullman had four lines of sleepers between St. Louis and Jacksonville. Two lines ran over two roads; one line ran over three roads; the fourth line ran over four roads. All were two-night-out lines. What roads were used, and what were the connecting points?
Since this is where I live, I’ll take a crack at (some) of it.
STL-JAX
via IC, CofGA and ACL Birmingham and Montgomery
via IC, CofGA, AB&C, and ACL Birmingham, Albany, Waycross
via SOU. GS&F Atlanta
via L&N, ACL Montgomery
I dunno…I’m getting lost… [:^)]