THIS CN SUBDIVISION BETWEEN SAUKVILLE,WI . AND KIEL,WI. HAS BEEN
‘’ OUT OF SERVICE ‘’ FOR TWO YEARS. ANY INFORMATION ON ITS FUTURE?
Hi lazwerg-
I’m over in Fond du Lac, and the latest info I’ve heard is that the CN wants to keep in place for now, as a detour route. Many suggestions have been made as to it’s use otherwise, such as bike trail, etc. but nothing firm yet.
In the last days of the WC, derailments were frequent on this line, and the last movements I personally saw were inspection trucks about 6 months ago(I do construction work in that area occasionally).
HTH[8D]
probably going to sound dumb but where does the CN run here in Wisconsin. i live over by the Twin Cities and i’m wondering if CN has any lines over here. all i’ve seen run through town is Union Pacific and CSX.
also did WC run through here at all.
In all possibility, if that line comes up again, it may be controlled by
RailAmerica like so many of the other short lines being sold to them.
There are very few shortlines that ARE NOT controlled by them left.
Is there still a thriving market for a railroad up there??? Being near
a major city, let’s hope so.
Where does that line end now? If I remember right that line use to go to GB, but it is a trail by Greenleaf. Does it still junction at Hilbert with the east-west line from Neenah to Manitowoc?
Hey good buddy – if you don’t have it, pick up a copy of the December Trains – it shows where all four of the Class I’s in that area run (CN, CPR, BNSF, UP) as well as the short lines. Complicated as all get out [:)], but comprehensible.
sweet. i’ll look for it this weekend. i have probably the november issue of both MR and Trains.
The north-south CN line still does end up in Hilbert. The tracks end shorltly after the diamond to the north and is used for boxcar storage.
Dave
Manitowoc, WI
Thanks everyone for your replies. My biggest fear for this line is that it will be torn up and turned into a rails-to-trails route. I’ve lived next to or close to this line my entire life. I can remember waving to THE MILWAUKEE ROAD passenger trains as they’d pass through town when I was a child. Oh well, at least I still have the memories. HEY,ANYONE OUT THERE WANT TO START-UP A DINNERTRAIN ??? THE SCENERY AROUND HERE IS BEAUTIFUL !
Recently have been hearing rumors that the Wisconsin Southern and CN have been discussing terms for the Plymouth and Manitowoc subs. Possibly including the West Bend sub as well. Will have to wait and see what develops.
It would be great to see UP or WSOR in Manitowoc. I think WSOR would be a more likely canidate if anything was going to happen to those lines. I know for a fact the only reason WC tore out the line was to prevent UP from buying it. It was almost all complete and WC took it all away from them. Chances of UP putting the line back in is
about 1%. Too much work for them, that would take a while to turn into profit.
Dave
Manitowoc, WI
Big News! This morning, I saw a WSOR red suburban with “WSOR” plates driving into Manitowoc coming off the highway. One only wonders now whats going on. Too bad I couldn’t follow him, I had to get to school.
Dave
Manitowoc, WI
Hawks05:
Check this page out - it has good info on the WC in the Twin Cities:
http://www.skypoint.com/~n0kfb/homepage/tc_rails/tc_rail1.htm
The news papers state that the CN will petition the STB for permission to abandon and remove the line from Saukville to Kiel. There is considerable opposition from online shippers who are stating that the CN has provided poor service. The asking price for this 34 miles fof RR is 2 million dollars, the WSOR has expressed on interest in operating this line if the state of Wisconsin purchases it and leases it to WSOR. A hearing is sceduled in late June. The STB website will have further details.
Randy Stahl
Although the line is not very active, only 200 carloads a year, it would be great to see WSOR expand in the state and continue service on the line. Anything to push CN further away and let them have less track. The customers deserve better. Maybe someday they will reach Manitowoc but first have to get the line between Neenah and Manitowoc which is a very profitable line with around 30-50 cars a day…mostly for Budweiser.
I think that it only makes sense for WSOR to get the Plymouth and West Bend Subs, since WSOR is their connection to the rest of CNWC!!! I don’t think CN (or just about any other Class 1, for that matter) really wants a little industrial track to have to switch, so let WSOR buy it, improve traffic on it, and make it a huge blazing success!!! (well, ok, that might be a little wishful thinking…) Heck, even C&NW had poor small-customer service, that’s why WC ended up with so much of their Wisconsin trackage and became a huge success! I think it would be great if WSOR could do the same.
[2c],
-Mark Hintz
Milwaukee, WI
http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken
Anything is better than seeing a line torn out. With the manitowoc sub up for sale WSOR could make some easy ca***aking care of Anheiser-Busch and Manitowoc Public Utilities without a whole lot of work. Factor in all the Menasha local industry work and it becomes a very lucrative deal. Too bad I can’t afford to buy it myself. [bow][bow][bow]
Where did you hear the Manitowoc Sub was for sale? It’s not…there has been talk but nothing set in stone. WSOR once you look at it would not stand a chance in Manitowoc, rather Union Pacific I now think would snag the line because of the Power Plant and Anheiser-Busch. I’m now beginning to think CN will not sell the line anymore.
I live near the plymouth sub and I was told that they want to abandon some place north of saukville but keep the southern part of it that goes into Milwaukee. He got his information from the news paper.
Correct, the CN wants to abandon the line between Keil and Saukville. They have already filed for it too. If CN succeds in doing this and tearing out the line, there will be a loss of business throughout the area. I do hope WSOR at least gets this line and tries the expand the products being delivered on the line.