Associated with Canadian National Steamships were “Canadian National Electrics” (see about 6:30; and consider the related quiz question) and associated park, as here
https://gpsvideocanada.com/nst7-dvd-niagara-st-catharines-toronto-railway
Admittedly, the water might not have been as ‘crystal-clear’ as indicated, but don’t you just want to jump into some of those scenes? (Although there are a couple of very determined women chowing down that might frighten small children and household pets…)
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Short story http://www.virtualmuseum.ca/edu/ViewLoitLo.do;jsessionid=255E98F13865F562BCE23C52CB232FD0?method=preview&lang=EN&id=5904
Long story http://www.saskatchewanmilitarymuseum.ca/SSR/soldiers/maule/2006/cfhq005.pdf
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Prince David press photo
http://www.forposterityssake.ca/JPGs/PHOTO-DIR/PRINCE-DAVID/PDV0012.jpg
http://www.forposterityssake.ca/Navy/HMCS_PRINCE_DAVID_F89.htm
Prince Henry prisoners of war
http://www.forposterityssake.ca/JPGs/PHOTO-DIR/PRINCE-HENRY/PRH0029.jpg
http://www.forposterityssake.ca/Navy/HMCS_PRINCE_HENRY_F70.htm
A Lusi fan! [:D][tup]
Yes, CP’s Empress class ships were better suited for transoceanic service:
But every time I think of them, almost my first thought is how one of them killed more people than the Malbone Street Horror, more quickly, with the thing about as well covered up.
Yes [Y]! I prefer the overall design of Lusitania to her sister ship Mauretania. [C][swg] If I was living in that era and rich enough to afford first class tickets for my whole family, I would travel on Lusi instead of much bigger but slower ship like RMS Olympic. Another ship I love was the SS Normandie; another war victim of yet another world war. The interior design was not for everyone but it was a Holy Temple of Art Deco on the sea for me. [D]
My favorite battleship was the Nelson Class:
Yes, it took only 14 mins, not enough time for me to finish a box of chocolate; but it probably didn’t beat the “speed record” of the demise of Pompeii.
Interesting that only recently was the speed of death at Pompeii realized; 'common knowledge" when I read about this as a child was that it involved relatively slow gas and ash suffocation, and not prompt pyroclastic flow.
For ‘contemporary’ speed record, I suggest Saint-Pierre on Martinique, in 1902. Would that Hamburg or Dresden have been as mercifully quick!
To Canadian National Steamships.
The illustrations below are from the five different “Lady” liners:
Lady Nelson, Lady Drake, Lady Hawkins, Lady Somers and Lady Rodney.
These ships were built in 1928-1929 and were all of around 8,000 grt and approx. 438 ft. long.
Three of them were sunk during WW2, but the Lady Nelson and Lady Rodney survived
to continue their Caribbean service after the war until sold in the early 1950s
to carry pilgrims and emigrants for the Khedivial Mail Line of Egypt.
From a 1932 Canadian National Steamships promotional brochure (see below).
There is a photo of the Lady Nelson as the Gumhuryat Misr during the 1950s on the P and O Line webs
A little more elegant the the accommodatios on the British Columbia ferries.
I did have a comfortable cabin when I spent the night from Port Hardy to Prince Rupert four years ago, though, and the dining room provided good meals in the morning and the evening. I was unable to get a cabin for the southbound trip, had to sit up.
Todays cruise ships have pretty sterile looking motel type rooms, nothing like these. But hey, they offer wifi, drunks, stoners and weirdos galore. They just take the ‘forever party’ onto the boat. Civilization is dead! … and heaven forbid if you light up a cigarette!
Perhaps river cruises and ferries are a bit more civilized.
I’ll take the rattan and steamer trunks and no wifi any day. Heck I’ll take a tramp steamer if there are any left.
Designed by a consortium comitee of Borg and Vogons. [+o(]
But the continuous party is the POINT of the cruise. Why just ride around in a little room, going up and down, with little to look at outside, when you could be dancing, or swimming, or exercising, or eating, or eating, or eating. Much of the cruise experience is directly derived from the Catskill experience (and, later, to my father’s despair, the Poconos experience) where stuff is always going. And tips are always flowing. It’s a decidedly different set of definitions of ‘civilized’ than I think most of us have. It would be interesting in the extreme to see what would happen if Carnival arranged for and then catered more train services…
No, I wouldn’t ride them. But that’s not the point – enough other people might ride them to justify operating a whole train, hoi-polloi coaches and all, for all the gray commodity destination pairs on the route.
Well Carnival already has the multimark logo so that’s a start.
I’m sure the old ships in the day had plenty of activities. Shuffleboard on deck, probably a pool, tennis, badminton, ballroom dancing. Gents hiding in leather chaired smokey rooms playing poker. I see a piano in the room full of rattan and wicker so entertainment as well. I’m sure the food was not so Las Vegas but more 20th Century.
Besides wouldnt you rather see Penny strolling on the walkway with her parasol rather than a bunch of drunk 20 something’s oggling and harassing your girlfriend.
I think the real fun and games in the privacy of your own boudouir was more meaningful as well. Very romantic, I’d say.
Late Edit: That was not fair to Russians, changed it to 20 somethings but any group of well inebriated dudes.
FYI.
’ S S Noronic. ’
This definitely did not help the Steamship business.
http://torontodreamsproject.blogspot.com/2010/09/worst-disaster-in-history-of-city.html
It later went to Hamilton, Ontario for Scrap In Company with a Canaller, and met w White-Lined Steam, also doomed.
Later Example.
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/stelco/NYC5406.jpg
Thank You.
I love these similes, Vince. Travel experience had changed since the function of ocean liners switched from a luxury transportation vessel to merely a cheap club on the sea. From a pillow, a door handle to the interior design of the cabin and dining room, many cruises which people could easily afford a ticket nowadays were too “Las-Vegaslized”; bad taste eyesore all over the place, from inside to outside of the ship. I wonder what Norman Bel Geddes would have said if he could foresee the future from the 1950s.
(Skip to 20m40s if you think the video is too long)
Had no idea about the Noronic. I have no real words to comment. It is like the Charles Francis Adams report of the catastrophe at Abergele.
I do recall discussion of other catastrophic ship fires where lemon-oil polish of well-seasoned wood paneling was a major factor in rapid spread. But not like this.
The picture of 5406 is interesting because it is an example of that somewhat regrettable railroad-photographer tendency to slant the board in the darkroom to make things look longer than they are. That tender is artificially enhanced to the point it almost looks like the 64T unbuilt variant… especially notable in the spacing between pedestal journals and the rear overhang.
1953 Ad. Got to like the addition of the streamlined Northern and the F units depiction.
The Noronic fire remains quite famous in Toronto. A simple linen closet and fire hoses that don’t work brought down a whole industry.
Of course the rest of the ship was a tinderbox, eventually this would have happened.
I recall when they towed the hulk through the Burlington canal, a railroad/roadway lift bridge crossing over along the beach strip, for the short jaunt to the awaiting Waxman scrapyard and the blast furnaces of Stelco.
The fire on SS Noronic was horrific! But compared to what happened to SS Mont-Blanc in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada on December 6, 1917 aka Halifax Explosion, it wasn’t the worst case.
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The fire on SS Noronic was horrific! But compared to what happened to SS Mont-Blanc in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada on December 6, 1917 aka Halifax Explosion, it wasn’t the worst case.
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I agree Halifax was much worse than the SS Noronic fire.
BUT. Most deaths at Halifax were On LAND account the explosion, NOT on-board passengers.
Both ships were Freighters, not Passenger Steamships.
The item was posted in context with the thread, which is fresh-water Passenger Steamships, and, their eventual demise.
Halifax was terrible, no matter the circumstances as was the SS Noronic.
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Marine Peril, from above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj5ZlL1J3X4
FWIW.
Thank You.
