…Yes it is sad the RR Co’s don’t imprint on their rolling stock what they want the public to know about them anymore…Can still see [in my mind], the Nickle Plate caboose rolling across the street crossing in it’s red and white paint touting it’s “high speed service”…No more.
Funny you mention the side of a house… here in Milwaukee, some vandals decided to paint a mural on the side of a garage near where one of their “brethren” lost his life… property owner wasn’t too happy…[:(!][:(!][:(!]
Sone cement covered hoppers have shown up on Jones Island graffiti’d with “holiday graffiti”. There was a Halloween and a Fathers Day car that I remember, and I understand that a shipper somewhere west of here “allowed” the “artists” to do their work. On otherwise dip gray cars w/reporting marks, the “artwork” isn’t too bad, but what I really hate is when an old paint scheme is all full of tags, etc. The UP here in town has CNW caboose #11186 that they use when switching Jones Island, and it is all full of tags and graffiti. [:(!] (pic at http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken/pictures1.html)
I agree with the earlier comments about the lack of graphics on modern cars. At least CN is adding their web address to their repaints. But I guess that railroads and private owners figure that their graphics will just get covered in graffiti if they
The graffiti weasels should be beaten with sticks and made to remove their destructive trash with their tongues! The one in 550 tags that looks neat is no antidote for the mindless, hideous, ugly crap I see all day. Oh, did I mention that we should beat them? Of course, in this degenerate culture we live in today, where we can’t bring ourselves to punish murderers and rapists, there is no stomach for dealing with car thieves or graffiti weasels.
ive started a photo album of this since the 80’s and glad to say the art has gotten better and better. not the writting but the faces and other subjects. not goodly when car no’s are covered up!!! GOD BLESS YOU!!!
Shut it up. close the door it’s over…by.
That msut have been exactly what jesus did then, Grafiting up cars… it’s funny because i’ve never read about it, must be my literary skills.
what if someone did that to your own personal car? my fguess is 99% of you wouldn’t be, uh, overely impressed to say the least…
But what the hell… it isn’t my property so I just think it looks great!
Pretend you owned that boxcar, now how do you feel, that you gove some design that prohibits people seeing the UP…CN…or CP
i’d sure be angry, really angry
But it’s jsut the RR, it’s okay, just nothing on my stuff, house car etc…
RRs are fine, then…
[#ditto][#ditto]
Yes, Let’s drop it. BTW, did I say they should be beaten?
Skeets for President![:)]
DROP THE SUBJECT!
Weather or not we want to admit it, grafitti IS part of railroad history and culture now. Yes, it is illegal, and most of it is terrable, but some of it is well done, or has a usefull message (Ive seen many that say “Stay in school”. Somethimes there could even be a funny story behind it, like the gentleman here in Brunswick that was arrested while spraying his company’s name on an autorack while drunk.
Why drop a topic that affects us whenever we railfan. we can discuss what we see, because we can, and because it exists. will dropping a topic stor the action from taking place? NO. whats done is done, and authough its better to not be done, the railroads can handle it without our bickering over weather it should be discussed or not.
(And just to put it in…I saw an autorack that said “Ed for President” along the whole leanght of it)
Just my 2 cents
THG
Negative Captain- I refuse, and mark that down in your blue book, to drop the subject-
I expected a whole bunch of you to suddenly wantr the subject to be dropped- Wrong approcah
Please don’t parent your children using such an approach, it leads to Children with insufficent bonds with their parents, and they will tend to hide a lot of stuff from you, if you use this approach.
pressing matters should not be swept under the rug unless you define ayourselves as one of these:
A) insuficent to deal with current and pressing matters
B) Afraid of the outcome-
Or C) just plain ignorant.
This issue is a pressing what as it is becomming more prevalent in today’s society,
The fact that so many of you want this issue dropped somewhat scares me-
Is it your nature to not talk about pressing issues?
if so, you really shouldn’t be on this forum, and you may want to take up an alternate life style that would involve more community awareness, so you might actually realize community issues, and problems that surround this world
I don’t directrly deal with Freight cars, but people seem to enjoy spray painitng the F word on our passenegr cars like it is going out of style… or drawing beautiful looking, but wrong stuff, If ther artist like it soo much, why don’t they choose their own property to do so?
exactly my point, if the artist like it… put it on your own car, garage door, and sport it around, it might become a trend…
No they choose unprotected property, to display their art…
NICE! just what we should all be advocating.
Is it worse to advocate screwing up other peoples property, or to advocate this topic be eliminated?
“too be or not to be, that is the question…”
A wise president once said, “the only way to discover new oceans, is to leave the comfort of your own shore”
I find many of you
[soapbox]
The following points have thus far been been presented in Graffiti on railroad car threads:
[2c]Some graffiti is pretty good, worthy of praise on another medium.
[2c]Some graffiti is obscene.
[2c]Some graffiti just isn’t art.
[2c]All graffiti is vandalism.
[2c]Those that tag should receive stiff penalties. Death has been suggested.
[2c]Taggers have a variety of motives.
[2c]You wouldn’t want it done to your property.
[2c]The railroads are pretty much powerless to stop the activity.
[2c]Most people either feel that graffiti on railroad cars is either
A. A really bad thing, or
B. A part of the landscape anymore, so what the heck?
If I missed a talking point, it is probably contained in one of the following threads:
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4187
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3349
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11272
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12463
If someone has something new to post about graffiti, have at it. Otherwise it’s all been discussed before, sides have been taken, and nothing has changed. Of course this thread can go on forever just discussing whether we should be discussing graffiti, but that would just be running up the participants post counts…
Off [soapbox]
I agree it is vandalism. Yet, it is another aspect of this wide-ranging hobby/obsession.
I and others spend time looking and filming “Smokin Joe” grafitti.
Does anyone else out there look for Smokin Joe grafitti?
On a side note, what about a discussion on collecting railroad hardware that we see daily along the rails. To pick this up is it theft? Is it theft if we find it along abandoned rails?
is it theft if its laying in the road thats right beside the rails?
No, I don’t recall seeing the “Smokin joe” grafitti, but I have seen a few that used the names or letters on the cars as part of the grafitti’s text. that can get funny.
Grafitti is like the suface RUST on railcars and the WEEDS along the track or the dirt and filth many railcars are covered in, all part of the character of it all.
I often enjoy the “layers” covering an old freight car while hauling comodities. Just enough seethru paint attempting to cover the cars original faded identity by the new owner, partialy covered by surface rust, covered again by a layer of dirt, add some scraches, now a layer of grafitti here and there, more rust, more dirt, a little more grafitti tags another change in reporting marks etc… you can still see in a carefull study by a trained eye that ultimately this was once a ROCK ISLAND car !!!
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GEEZ, I thought it was agreed upon to DROP this thread[:0][xx(]
Okay. We all know that graffiti’s a no-no, although three years ago, I saw some graffiti “art” covering one side of a box car (Railbox, I think) that was unique. It was a picture of a school bus (go figure) complete with driver, and passengers. I have to wonder why someone with that talent would waste it by illegally spray painting the side of a box car, instead of using their ability to get a job.
I’ll drop this thread when I die.
that being said,
Lwt me cut you all a deal, how does this sound… for the people who liek spray paint sh0t all over the place, i’ll cut you a great deal…
send me an e-mail, with your adress, your name, where you live, and i’ll be over there faster then you can say bug-on-a-rug and i’ll spray paint the side of your house, and car, and anyhtign else you want done!
What a deal…
make sure when you e-mail me to begin with “Yes, i want spray paint… etc…”
that lines will get me out of all legal trouble.
what do you say… if it’s art and you like it so much…