i never knew the difference between the 2 so someone can help hopefully
i know that it is a cowl unit of the SD 45, snate fe had the majority of them & wisconsin central made a deal for 20. & some were gonna be for the milwaukee rd but w/ the soo buying milwaukee that deal fell. they were also designed more for passenger service.
The FP45 had a steam generator to heat passenger trains, while the F45 was strictly for freight. The FP45’s were 5’ longer, which was added behind the radiators for the steam equipment-
The Milwaukee engines were bought long before the SOO entered the picture , they were bought new in 1973 . 1-5 . I recall the 2 spot as destroyed when I was working there , a result of an electrical fire.
The SDP-45 the WC had was ex Erie Lackawanna , you could still see the striped through the roughly applied conrail and later helm blue paint . I think 6634 was the only SD we had with a 5000 gallon fuel tank , along with the FP-45 6652.
The Milwaukee road still owner quite a few of the FP and F45s. Just most were transferred over to frieght service after passenger service fell through.
This is one of the Milwaukee’s F45s, used on frieght service.
Here’s a couple of the Milwaukee road’s FP45 used on Commuter service in Chicago.
It’s pretty simple. If you see the P in any name of a locomotive it stands for passenger.
But I believe all were transferred to freight service and there steam generators removed making them F45s. Wouldn’t that be correct.[%-)]
So those are F40s… those are hard to tell apart. and there is no discription from where I got those pics from so I thought they were FP45s. But I got an explanation from a friend so I see the front pilot doesn’t have any steps. Interesting, thanks for catching my mistake.[tup]
Those F40C’s are pretty similar. The only way to tell them apart is the HTC trucks, well, and the RTA/Metra paint. They’re the only ones who bought them. Internally their SD40-2’s, not SD45’s.
When MLWK removed the steam generators on their FP’s, they still remained FP45’s. The EL SDP45’s were built without generator’s (thy just wanted the large fuel tank) and were still consider SDP’s. If you noticed MLWK ordered them without dynamics. Strange to buy such a powerfull locomotive and doom it to midwest service. They had smaller tanks, 2500 GLS, I believe.
I guess they were purchased for the UP pool to Omaha, and painted in UP colors. The Hiawatha was only running to Aberdeen, SD, when they were bought, and that stopped April 1969.
That would be logical, Thx. I’m thinking I should have known that! Why else would they have painted them yellow?[D)] They all went to scrap, didn’t they?
No big deal. You never said, “I know for a FACT!” I’d like to hear where the 6 where preserved, though. Just so sad the MLWK’s are gone, being so unique.
Snagle: Here is a link to a site that has the Santa Fe/BNSF disposition information to the museums http://home.earthlink.net/~sebringdesign/SDFP-45.htm The WC’s unit has gone to Larry’s Truck and Equipment and I have read it was scrapped. The other six are doing fine. I’ve personally seen the #97 in Dallas.
MILW began painting ALL of its passenger power and rolling stock in Armour Yellow and Harbor Mist Gray shortly after 1955, when they took over operation of the Chicago-Omaha leg of UP’s through passenger trains from C&NW. Even the Olympian Hiawatha, which was discontinued in 1961 as a Chicago-Seattle train, finished out its days in UP colors.
Santa Fe 92 is also preserved in red and silver Warbonnet paint at the Illinois Railway Museum in Union, Ilinois. You can see a photo at www.irm.org - click on “roster of equipment”, click on the arrow next to “horse cars” (above the button marked “browse the collection”) to get the drop-down list, select “internal combustion locomotives”, then click the “browse” button. Anything with a photo icon next to the name has a photo available for viewing. SF 92 is the second name on the list. Alternatively, you can use the “search” button on the IRM home page, type in “Santa Fe 92”, and read some articles about Santa Fe Warbonnets and SF92 in particular, as well as access the roster photo.
How did the FP45 rate next to the SDP40F and F40C in terms of tracking at high speeds? If they were superior, it’s a wonder in that case that a HEP version was never brought out (FP45H?)
The posts on the Milwaukee Road Yahoo Group this past week seem to concur the FP45s did not ride well.-
"Engine crews hated them. They bottomed out on rough track and rocked beyond belief. If the engine crew had a choice, they were never used as the lead."