Fairbanks Morris

Hence my reading! :slight_smile: I have an A-B set of ERies, I am waiting on a trio of C-Liners with a couple extra shells (NYC CFA-16-44s in black and 20-44s in lightning stripes), and I’m looking for another Erie A-unit.

THanks for posting those pages from the maintenance manual. Great stuff!

Aaron

Hello all,

Not what I was imagining at all!

Interesting how the pistons are also the valves.

Thanks for the clarification.

Hope this helps.

PLEASE FIX THE TITLE OF THIS TOPIC.

Ed

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I second this motion. Please make the repair.

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-Kevin

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The OP has made only one reply since starting this thread. I would say he pretty much orphaned it. Still, it was interesting to share the information so it wasn’t a total waste. I appreciate the input from all the contributors.

Regards, Ed

If it is ok with MVSRR I would like to share a story of a engineer,a yardmaster and a FM10-44.

Yes, lots of information and a learning experience for me. Maybe it quickly escalated beyond what he could contribute. I know that I know nothing about OP egines, but it was interesting reading what you guys were sharing.

Mike.

Well, Larry, he no longer seems to be participating in this thread, and I wouldn’t mind reading your story. I’d also guess that a few others here might enjoy it, too.

Wayne

Yes Larry, please, tell us more!

Mike.

About a year ago I bought several engineers manuals including two for Fairbanks Morse (got a Baldwin sharknose too)

Inside is a diagram of the engine- lets you know how complicated it was to get into everything-

Compared to an EMD or anything else- vastly more complicated- Jim

Ok,you ask and here it is.

In '66 I hired on the PRR and spent my first few training days working in the AC&A yard which is part of the Cleveland Ave yard complex in Columbus,Oh.

We had FM10-44 9090 as our yard engine which had been pulled from storage and every time the engineer open the throttle blue smoke would spew forth from the exhaust holes.

As we neared the yard office my training brakeman said ā€œWatch this Larryā€ so I did and was horrified when the engineer open the throttle under a open window and the blue smoke spew forth and in my student mind I thought man,we all catch it for that!

I notice the engineer did the same every time we passed the yard office and I turned to my instructior and ask why the engineer do that?

His reply was several years ago when the yardmaster was a conductor him and old ā€œPeteā€ was wooing the same gal and ā€œPeteā€ lost and every since then he smokes up the office every chance he gets when "Pete and ā€œBillā€ is on the same shift and he has a smokey locomotive.

When ā€œPeteā€ stood before the man explaining why he was smoking up the yard office old ā€œPeteā€ would reply there’s a slight grade just beyond the yard office and I need to apply power to get up the hill… ā€œPeteā€ was told to be more careful where he choose to open the throttle.Nothing more ever came of it and old ā€œPeteā€ continued to smoke up the office until the day he retired.

OK, [(-D] A woman involved, who knew? [(-D] Great story.

Mike.

I know this was about Fairbanks-Morse Diesels, but here is some information about the Auto Industry Involvement in World War II.

The pertinent points to our discussion would be the subheadings of EMD and Cleveland Diesel for engine’s made for LST’s, Submarines and other vessels.

http://www.usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/General%20Motors/cleveland-diesel.htm

Rick Jesionowski

Just watched a few video tours of two of the remaining LSTs, as the first ship my Dad served on was ARL-21, USS Proserpine, a light repair auxiluary built on the same hull as an LST. Soon as they went into the engine room, it was obvious they were EMD engines, 12-567’s actually. The one guy said parts were hard to get, but I kind of think that woudn’t be the case, I know they’ve been rebuilding the 16-567 in the GP7 we have at the museum, and various seals and so forth weren’t too hard to get. On one video they mentioned the Bofors gun was built by Fisher Body, and on the other, they said Chrysler made the Oerlikon canon.\

Now, if you think the FM opposed piston engine is complex, take a look at the Napier Deltic. Think 3 FM engines arranged in a triangle. Similar history - it was originally developed for marine power, and post war was run in locomotives, the first one was the English Electric Deltic.

–Randy

FYI.

Two 12 Cylinder OPs powering a hammer-mill in a scrap yard in Ottawa, Ontario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzLTzbK-fC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwrB9rPAG_E

Thank You.

Funny thing is, the guy in the video calls them ā€œFairbanks and Morrisā€

–Randy

To be fair, FM has a 2 stroke OP that meets tier 4 emissions, its not a bad design at all, very reliable and simple.

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They have a 200 liter medium speed diesel that makes around 4,500 horsepower and is HUGE.

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In the correct application, which is steady speed, constant prime power generation, it has some advantages.

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Like all things, there is a hat for every head, and this engine has a market where it would be the correct choice.

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The fact that Fairbanks Morse is still able to find a market for these engines to justify making them Tier 4 (F) compliant absolutely amazes me.

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-Kevin

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My nephew is in charge of maintaining a small fleet of MLW/Alco locomotives. His source for parts? Fairbanks-Morse.

https://www.fairbanksmorse.com/alco

Model 251? Yes, the design was finalized in Feb. of 1951!

Regards, Ed