my wife got me a book for christmas,“The history of the Pennsy railroad.” in the book it has a map of the Pennsy RR circa 1967. on the map i noticed 2 railroads i never heard of before out in Illinois. the TP&W and the C&EI. what are the names of these railroads?[?]
Well Willy,
I can tell you that the TP&W is the Toledo, Peoria & Western (check spelling) but to tell the truth, I as well have never heard of the C&EI. Maybe someone else can help up out here?[;)][:D]
thanx railpac for your help…have a great holiday season
C&EI was the Chicago and Eastern Illinois.
The TPW is the Toledo Peoria & Western. Runs from Logansport, IN west accross northern IL to a connection with ATSF. It was owned by ATSF for a short time. It still operates as a short line under new management.
The C&EI is the Chicago & Eastern Illinois. It is a y shape railroad begining on the south side of Chicago. One led runs south to Evansville IN where it made connections with the L&N to go further south. The other leg ran west to St Louis where it made connections with the MoPac. The line was sold and split up, now between UP and CSXT.
C and EI was once part of the MP-TP-CEI system. The SP got the CEI when the UP took over the TP and MP. Now the UP has it back.
Sorry, Eric, SP never got C&EI. It went to MoPac (which sold part of it to L&N) in about 1967, and was actually merged into the MoPac system.
You may be thinking of the Chicago, Missouri & Western, which was spun off from the ICG (basically, the former GM&O/Alton main line from Joliet to St. Louis). This was SP’s access to Chicago.
The C&EI was merged into the MP and L&N. They shared the line from Woodland Jct North (UP and CSXT still do operate it as a joint facility, dispatched by the UP). The MP got the western half south of Woodland Jct. and the L&N got the eastern half south of Woodland Jct. The MP portion is now operated by the UP and L&N portion is now operated by the CSXT.
Dave H.
And the old C&EI and the TP&W used to cross on a diamond at Watseka, IL. Now the above mentioned CSX/UP and Rail America’S TP&W.
L&N used to forward coal unit trains to TP&W at Watseka.
Cotton Belt tried to pursue a merger with C&EI in 1959, but the move was turned down by Southern Pacific’s Board of Directors.
TP&W was owned or partly owned by Santa Fe for 29 years, that’s more than a few.
OK, guys, then how come the SP (via the SSW) operated C&EIs Springfield line into Chicago circa 1990 to merger with Uncle Pete?
The SP bought the IC’s line not the C&EI’s (it may have been the ICG at that time). The C&EI never owned that line.
I checked a couple editions of “Handy Railroad Atlas” and they show the SPCSL as an IC/ICG route.
Dave H.
[banghead] SPCSL was the reporting mark. Thanks, Dave. [
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SPCSL isn’t a reporting mark, its an acronym, “Southern Pacific Chicago Short Line” that was given after the SP bought the line. The SP bought ex Rock Island Golden State Route, the SPCSL, and the MP’s Pueblo line during their last several years.
Dave H.
Almost right…it was Southern Pacific Chicago-St. Louis.
The Golden State route went to SP (SSW) as a result of the Rock Island’s bankruptcy. They also got a line from KC to St. Louis, but never fully rehabilitated that line. Rights over the MP between those two points, as well as the Pueblo line, were obtained as a result of the MoP-UP.
“Almost right…it was Southern Pacific Chicago-St. Louis.”
In the words of Maxwell Smart, “missed it by that much .”
Dave H.
Well that is about as clear as mud. [:D] What RR merger will be the next topic of debate???[X-)] LOL
[8D]Actually the ICG was Mainly North & South SPCSL Was Cotten belts Lines
In the south Like Shreveport L.a. Some maps Will show SSW some S.P.T.C.
(SOUTHERN PACIFIC TRANSPORTATION CO.) but SPCSL All UP now
And CE&I was Bought out By MOPAC Before UP got it
TP&W Toledo Peoria & Western
C&EI Chicago & Eastern Illnois
[8D]Correct Now for the Boxcar , caboose , & up Loco
Who Was bigger in 1975
1 MISSOURI PACIFIC
2 UNION PACIFIC
3 MISSOURI , KANSAS , & TEXAS
who is the Missouri, Kansas, & Texas? (KATY)
Yes John, MKT and Katy were the same railroad.