Idea for cheaper night train sleepers

The design approach taken by Luna Rail:

I don’t see how their ‘long-term’ bilevel-car approach could possibly be made ADA compliant. It reminded me of a modernized version of those old Long Island Rail Road cars that ‘siamesed’ seats to shoehorn more of them in.

There are ADA concerns with the ‘pod’ approach to individual seats, in that the sawtooth aisles will be difficult for wheelchairs or scooters to negotiate. We recognized that concern back with the longer angled ‘business class’ sleeper pods discussed a few years ago. The angled approach has always worked for parlor-car seating… but those were never intended to recline for sleeping.

I thought there were some interesting ideas shown here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_GFxa85tkWA

To be compliant here, have one car that is easier access. I don’t think ADA requires every car be compliant.

Your post makes it sound like you think European countries lack standards for disabled accessibility.

ADA requires that every car in the train be fully accessible. You may be sure that activist groups will hold Amtrak to that, too. While there may have been waivers for ‘preexisting equipment’, I doubt there would be for new bilevel equipment – and yes, I think that’s a major reason Amtrak has abandoned the RFP for bilevel equipment; I suspect no practical design they received could be made fully suitable.

I remain upset and worried about the outcome of the scooter affair a few years ago. You may remember that an activist group had decided to ‘test’ by wanting to ride together as a group larger than the ‘scooter accommodation’ size provided in one car. Amtrak had to oblige them by changing seating, then tried billing them for the configuration changes both ways. The group sued over the charges and Amtrak either lost or settled. Car features that require ‘special’ attention from employees to use safely, like the elevators or lifts to higher elevation, may not be adequately fast or convenient to ‘count’ as reasonable accommodation…

Having spent time in wheelchairs, I don’t think I would be happy having to negotiate a couple of cars’ worth of sawtooths between rows of angled seat ‘pods’ unless the free corridor width were at least that conforming to straight passage – which wastes a great deal of the potential space for each ‘module’. I see the situation as even more limiting in European loading gages… which is why I wonder if the European version of disability accommodation actually prioritizes passage in wheelchairs or on mobility devices as ours does.

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Not according to a Google search.

"ADA compliance for passenger rail cars requires that for new or used vehicles purchased/leased after August 25, 1990, at least one car per train must be accessible. While not every car must be fully ADA-compliant, the train must have accessible restrooms (if others are provided), designated seating for wheelchair users, and specific door widths. "

That’s highly interesting. The material I had been reading was big on the idea that everything ‘accessible’ to normal patrons should be reasonably accessible to the disabled. I will have to go back and see if interpretation has changed over the years.

Maybe sensible reasoning happened? It’s ridiculous, expensive and poses a barrier to good transportation for everyone that every car needs to be accessible to the few handicapped folks in wheelchairs.

Maybe it just means that one of each must be accessible. As an example–one coach, one sleeper, one dining car, not every one on the train. That way, they have access to all the same amenities, just on a smaller scale.

Imagine implementing ADA in the Jim Crow era.

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Using Google, and its AI overview, all cars new or rebuilt cars after that 1990 date must be ADA compliant. After that date every train must have one compliant car in its consist.

I think the one car requirement is/was a temporary requirement until the entire car fleet is ADA compliant. It appears that 100 percent ADA compliant equipment is the ultimate goal.

Jeff

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But not the current law or rule 36 years later. And it did not say “All new or rebuilt cars after 1990” must. You apparently misread the Google AI summary. So it would seem that only one ADA car (perhaps of each type) is needed.

AI, I’ve noticed, is terribly inconsistent. I would be unsurprising if it changed its mind or never had a clue what was going on in the first place!

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Go ahead and check then.

Europeans at least based on my travels have less of an entitlement mentality about life in general than Americans. More willing to just suck it up and get on with it rather than complain.

But it didn’t always seem to be that way. Just relatively recently. Say last 10-15 years.

And it’s not a left vs right wing either. Seems pretty prevalent across the board.

The ADA is 42 USC 12101 et seq.

I can’t say that I found the section that you were referring to. What page is it on?

I think he misquoted the reference. Try starting here (for instance) or use the cite I gave above in eCFR):

The stupid Feds blocked the correct request.

Ah, thanks.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-A/part-37/subpart-D

This covers ADA and transportation modes. You have to scroll down for Amtrak and heavy rail commuter trains.