Information needed about a particular coach.

Classic Trains General Discussion
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Hello!

I am researching a particular coach that was used last by Amtrak (# 4543, ex ATSF 2940). I believe the car to be a 44 chair coach built by Pullman Standard, and put into service in April, 1947.

What I have found thus far is listed above, plus I heard the car may have been used on the Southern RR as well, but I can’t find anything to support that. It is currently in a static display in Willoughby, OH, and prior to that it was in Sharon, PA (also static). That’s where the trail ends so far…

Does anyone know how to go about finding the history of the car (on or off the Internet)? Was it used on any special runs or trains?

Thanks in advance for the advice - I am willing to do the work, I just need to know the path.

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Hi there buddy-Cant help you myself but you might try dropping a line to PASSENGERFAN Al-last posted on page 3 of this thread list-his knowledge base is rarely bettered



Good hunting,atb



Nick
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Actually AT&SF 2940 was P/S built between March and July 1950 part of the series 2912-2945. They were 44-seat leg rest coaches assigned to the El Capitan the last coaches assigned to the El Capitan before that train received Hi-Level cars in 1956. They were next assigned to the Texas Chiefs, Kansas City Chiefs and even ran in the San Francisco Chief.

Hope this helps.

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There ya go:-the man comes through again,nice one AL-hope you are well [^]-take care now



atb,Nick
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Thanks - I’ll continue my research using that information. I appreciate the response!

Other thoughts are still welcome…

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Just to continue . . . the 1950 cars were the 2nd lot of an order. The first lot (2861 - 2911) was received in 1947 and assigned to the El Cap. They gave the train all new cars and enough that it could go to daily service from every other day, alternating with the Super Chief. The 1950 cars enabled even longer El Caps to be run – over 14 cars, including baggage and lounges, and diner. As noted, these coaches were replace by the Hi-Levels and sent to other trains on the Sana Fe.
Santa Fe sold them to Amtrak in 1971. Any use on the Southern would probably be after Amtrak took over the Crescent (after 1980???).

Phil

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This car now serves as the Willoughby Area Welcome Center in Willoughby, Ohio. I shot this car in August and noted that the old number, AMTK 4543 is visible under some light blue paint on the number board on the car side.

Glenn

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THE.RR, perhaps you have forgotten that the Super Chief was ALWAYS exclusive sleeping cars.

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By alternating, he meant that one day the Super Chief ran, then the next day the El Cap and so on and so on. Not alternating the consists, just the days the trains ran. This was before both became daily.