I watched a youtube video recently of a CP grain train just east of Revelstoke in central BC from 1982. The trio of SD40s seemed familiar to me… that was the predominant power back then. Same with the colorful government hoppers… they’re etched in my memory as well. But I was surprised to see in the video that the rail appeared to be jointed…I sure don’t remember that detail! Are there still sections of mainline with jointed track or is everything welded now? I would have thought that CP’s mainline through BC, as important as it is, would have been welded rail by 1982.
mudchicken would be more of a expert in this area.
My belief is that rail has a ‘normal’ life span of somewhere between 30 & 50 years in tangent profiles, shorter lifespans in curves. I would guess that after railroads were ‘run into the ground’ during WW II, there likely would have been a lot of rail replacement in the 40’s and early 50’s - thus starting the clock on the lifespan. 1982 would have been nearing the end of the 30 year lifespan period. Railroads first began using welded rail in the 1950’s, mostly on a ‘experimental basis’ to develop data about its longevity and maintenance factors. The didn’t begin to adopt welded rail as the norm until sometime in the 1960’s. In the 21st Century welded rail is the norm - somewhere, there may still be jointed rail that for whatever reason has yet to be replaced.
I’m sure you’ll find plenty on short lines. And on tourist lines. Ours is currently good for 40+MPH after a rehab.
There is still some on the ex Monon north of Lafayette In. It is an Amtrak route.
To BaltACD’s excellent and informative point:
The Twin Cities & Western operates the former Milwaukee Road Western Extension mainline west from Minneapolis that was 132-lb jointed rail laid before the Milwaukee went under.
With a shortline taking over, the traffic volume was and is much lower than on the mainlines of the continuing Class I railroads…
About 4-5 years ago, the TC&W installed “plugs” into the rail and eliminated the joints, thereby converting it into welded rail.
The now-welded rail will be in use for many years yet to come.
The mainline is in excellent shape and hosts MILW 261 on annual excursions, as well as unit grain trains pulled pulled and pushed by BNSF run-through power, and daily eastbound and westbound freights to St. Paul Pig’s Eye Yard.
My understanding is that the lifetime of rail depends on the gross tonnage that passes over it. The Diesel Fried Chicken guy said that with proper maintennance of rail and wheels, the rails could be good for over a billion gross tons.
I don’t know the exact ‘lifetime’ of rail. What I do know is that when rail is approaching its ‘end of life’; the number of broken rail incidents increases at a much higher rate that it did when the rail was new or ‘in its prime’.
When I was working, I would keep track of track/signal incidents that happened on my Division that were identified by location and what failed as a part of my job responsibilities. The number of broken rails that would happen on rail that was past its ‘replace by’ date was really astounding.
The ‘discovery’ process for a broken rail was normally a train operated through a track segment and after the train cleared the segment, the track occupancy light stayed on. During cold weather months, both the signal maintainer and Roadmaster for the affected segment would be notified to inspect the segment. 98% of the time the cause was a broken rail - the rail having broken under the train as it passed.
Jointed rail, tonnage dependant, was still being laid into the 1960’s and 1970’s. Amtrak is till running over that today, but that is quickly coming to an end. (132# jointed is still out there, but that stuff in western Kansas, Colorado and New Mexico is just about all replaced now.) It’s a b_tch to deal with end batter, surface bent rail, worn joints and bolts and joint ties with no budget, people or proper machinery. The stuff will go on forever on sidings, backtracks, yards and shortlines. Stuff lighter than 112/115# , compromise/step joints et al will be harder and harder to come by. Cropping and welding that stuff in face still happens, but that is going away. I do not miss dealing with that stuff and secondhand CWR is a blessing if you can get the matching plates and OTM to cascade into your yards and bactracks. There is a glut of SH-CWR rail right now, but the plates and related OTM are in short supply.
M
CN, exIC still has 112/115 lbs jointed rail on the Omaha line. Some with 1940s dates on it.
Jeff
RF&P trackage through the town of Ashland VA had 1940 production dates on the rails into the late 1990’s.
Track gang was on the Monon last summer.
Ex Alton KC line, maybe still?
Chicago Missouri River & Western RR (Venango) made plenty of questionable decisions, never standardized on much of anything and left a mess for those that followed.
In 1982 jointed rail was common on many halfway-important lines. Dunno if that 1980 UP track chart is online, but I suspect it shows many hundreds of unwelded track-miles Omaha-LA and Granger-Portland.
I travelled adjacent to the ex Monon today, north of Lafayette to Monon. The old stick rail has been replaced with CWR.
North of Monon on the ex Michigan City line (now only to Francesville) there is stick rail. That line services a couple of grain elevators plus a few small industries.
Ed
ICG didn’t exactly give them much to work with. I moved to Normal, IL to attend Illinois State University in 1987 just as the CM&W began operations. Pretty much everything was in bad shape. It was quite evident that the ICG hadn’t done any substantive maintenance after the GM&O merger in 1972.
KCS’ Springfield Sub between Murrayville, IL and Springfield, IL still has jointed rail that dates back to the 1940’s. Most of the rest of KCS’ former Gateway Western trackage has been relaid with welded rail, including the branch to Jacksonville, IL which now serves a large loop-loading grain terminal. KCS has also installed a new ABS signalling system. Definitely not the same railroad that the CM&W and Gateway Western left behind.
The A&WP subdivision north of LaGrange , Ga had 1902 112# stick rail that had been cropped and made into ribbon rail. When & where it came from have not found out. Just as the BNSF haulage trains from Birmingham started it was replaced by 136 # welded rail. That included all new tie plates,
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Any idea of the frequency of those KCS grain trains out of Jacksonville? My travels to Mt. Sterling and Quincy over the years allowed me to stop in J’ville from time to time. Out of the blue, that loop track appeared. Just a guess but that is probably long haul corn for Mexico…quite a nice movement for KCS.
That NS line west of Springfield is not very active these days.
Ed
I strongly recommend the off topic comments in this Frailey blog post:
https://cs.trains.com/trn/b/fred-frailey/archive/2019/05/01/a-failed-railroad-lives-on.aspx
in regards to the economics of track structure and the drive to CWR and modern roadbed construction techniques.
1-3 trains a week perhaps. Seems like trains sit on the loading loop for a day or two before a crew comes up from East St. Louis to take it west. And, yes, all those trains are headed to Mexico.
If you want to see anything on the NS line, it’s the early morning hours or bust. 120, 256, and 258 go east between 6 AM and 11 AM, then nothing moves for hours. If you get lucky there might be a late running westbound in the mix.