Lionel Pennsylvania Flyer Train Set - G-Gauge / For 4-Year Old Grandson

My 4 year old grandson wants this battery operated train set for Christmas.

http://www.amazon.com/Lionel-Pennsylvania-Flyer-Train-Set/dp/B002GWW2ME

The reviews are less than favorable.

The battery power, as opposed to DC power pack, is the attraction given his young age, but there is no point in buying junk.

Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions along this line based upon their own experience?

I thought about posting this question on the CTT forum, but I thought that all of my friends and fellow forum members here might have some thoughts.

Rich

My first train set was Lionel 0-27 when I was three years old. The current and voltage on the track was not enought to hurt anyone. I used to put tinsel on the track when I was not supervised, but it didn’t hurt anything. My Dad supervised me fairly close in the beginning, so that may be a consideration also. I still have my Lionel trains and they still run. I am 70 now.

The one thing to consider is that anything powered with batteries will eat batteries! Getting something with a power supply that plugs into a wall socket makes a lot more sense. Just make sure that Mom and Dad do the plugging in, until they are SURE that Junior can do it safely.

Like Elmer, my first train was Lionel 0-27. I got it at the ripe old age of five - months. By the time I was four I had qualified with layout assembly, including wall plugs.

Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

My first train when I was eight years old was a Lionel 0-27. never any problems. Just gave a bunch Lionel and Marx 0-27 trains to a nephews son who is 6 six years old… He has no trouble using it.

Rich

Rich,

If it was me, I would do it. For a four year old, why not. I would though, get the other batteries,with the charger, rather than go through up teen C battery’s, all the time.[:)] Even comes,with a remote, like Grandpops, trains.

Cheers, [D]

Frank

Edit: I noticed, at the bottom of all the info, they sell the batt’s and charger. even extra track!

Is the concern he may not be old enough yet to play with a 110V/12V transformer adult supervision? I’d say he’s right at the age to learn about such things and a train set could be just the training tool needed. And there’s nothing special or dangerous about it. It’s sticking random stuff in receptacles that’s dangerous. Having a proper thing to plug in is an opportunity to learn how to do that…and to NOT plug in things not meant to be.

In the long run, a real AC Lionel set is going to be more attarctive and certainly more potentiaily expandable than a battery operated one will be.

Wow, lots of support for an electric train. This kid is pretty bright for a 4-year old. He could handle a train with power pack.

Keep your ideas and suggestions coming.

Meanwhile, I will post a thread on the CTT forum to see what kind of train sets they recommend.

Rich

Rich,

I know you will, but remember, kid’s now a days,out grow things fast, as far as toys go, something,new and different,all the time. [O]

Cheers, [D]

Frank

Rich, as others have said, just buy him as regular LIONEL O-27 set.

When my boy was 5, we bought him bunk beds - he slept on the top, and had a LIONEL layout on the on the bottom. It stayed that way until he was 11. Never had any problems.

The transformer stayed puged in, had an on-off switch, never a problem of any kind.

Sheldon

Sheldon,

WOW! I had the reverse, of that, when I was a kid, American Flyer on top, bed on the bottom, 1949, though, I was seven. [:D]

Cheers, [D]

Frank

With all the replys that you got, not one person actually has bought the item you want to buy for your grandson. I have two of the Lionel G Scale trains. Not this one but the Polar Express and the Iron Horse Models. I put them up around my trees at Christmas. They take C battieries that are placed in the tenders. The train will automatically shut off if idle. Depending how much your grandson plays with it, will determind how often you will have to change the batteries. You can buy a battery that you can charge but it is sold seperately. Your grandson will love it. The track is easy to assemble. It also has a handheld wireless remote that’s simple to use. It is sturdy. We had them for years. It’s a great starter. It would be a perfect gift

Joe C

I agree about getting the Lionel O guage train set. I got my newphew one of those when he was 4 years old, and he loved it, never had any problems with it.

Of course you have to get your grandson the Polar Express set. That would be the happiest kid ever.

MB Klien has it on sale for $289 http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Lionel-O-The-Polar-Express-Passenger-Train-Set-p/lio-6-31960.htm

Rich, I agree that I would take the leap with an electric set over battery powered set. Several factors come into play for me such as the high cost of replacing C cell batteries. Also an electirc set will be more exandable and probably more sturdy than the battery power set. I bought my nephew his first train set when he turned 3 though it has HO scale within an houre he was building his own trains with no problems. A few months later I introduced him to my power cab and within a few minutes he was operating trains like he has been in this hobby for years.

John

Gidday Rich, whatever he gets, he’s a lucky grandson, I’ve still got my clockwork Hornby set that I got when I was five from my English Grandmother. Hours of endless fun.[:)] (one day I’ll have to fix or replace the spring.)

Cheers, the Bear.

Rich, I faced a similar decision:

I have some friends, both grandpas to a 4.5 year old {to hear him tell it], and when I suggested that MOH and I buy him his first train that wasn’t made of wood, they/I jumped at the chance.

I WAS thinking Lionel! {Possibly the battery operated?, NO} I had a cheesy G scale battery once that was to go under the tree…but it failed and I was not “wearing it out”.

But we all know “cheap is as Cheap does” in MRRing. Inexpensive, yes can do, cheap no!

Here where their instructions:

1} had to be HO { I think grandpa #1 wanted HO for himself as I think the grandpas will play whilest the grandson is away}

2} electric, he will ONLy be using while supervised

3} something he would enjoy at 15 or 20 as well as 4.5, assuming he stays interested.

4} something tech wise that would also stand the test of time.

5} something that would work for a 4x8 now, but that can go into an around the walls of the basement in his teen years.

6} they assure me they think he can handle HO

I decided NOT on lionel then to fulfill their wishes of HO. I explained if he “reroutes” track and makes a reversing loop, he’ll short things out! But they assured me “we will supervise” him.

I decided NOT to get a “train set quality” el cheapo train set with the steel tack as it won’t last till he is 5 completely,let alone 15. If he damages it now, it won’t matter, BUT that won’t keep him “into the hobby” to get to age 15!

So I choose the Bachmann 0-6-0 steamer with the Bachmann EZ Command DCC starter set. Now let me explain: I have 3 of the B EZC, one for the regular layout, one for under the tree N and one for under the tree HO or On30. I LOVE it. They DOn’t addess to 4 digits, BUT he is 4.5, an assignation of “steam loco” and “diesel loco” inscribed on the paper slotted “name tag”

It was my daughter who first brought this idea to my wife after my grandson saw the train set in a store.

My wife read some customer reviews on Amazon and then asked me what I thought.

I am not troubled by the battery power aspect of it all. What bothered me was the customer reviews of poor performance and the “dead on the tracks” propensity of the locomotive.

When I was 5 years old, I got an American Flyer electric train set, and it was a great performer. I would like to make that a repeat performance for my grandson, so the last thing that I want is to buy him some junk and turn him off to the hobby as quickly as he gets started.

Rich

OK Rich, I told you what I did with my son, now I will share my story as a child.

I never had LIONEL or any other “train set”.

My father was a Christmas time model railroader. He set up a Christmas Garden every year, but is was more than your average loop of track around the tree or a LIONEL set on a 4x6 with a few houses.

It was HO, running on TruScale wood roadbed track, two complete loops, on a layout that was 5’ deep and 18’ long. Every Thanksgiving they moved all the furniture around to make room for this in the living room. Him and my mother built the craftsman kit buildings of the era, Suydam, etc. It stayed up until early January.

The rolling stock was mostly Varney and Athearn metal kits, Amercican Beauty passenger cars, Pennline GG1, Varney F3 set, Mantua Pacific and Mikado built from kits, etc. It had an Aristo trolley bus loop, lighted houses and street lamps, etc.

When we finially moved into a house with a basement, he set the layout up down there, perminantly - but this time with grades, plaster mountains, hidden staging - yes hidden staging - and more. I was about 8 years old.

By the time I was 10, it was officially mine. I was building Silver Streak wooden freight cars, buying Athearn Blue box kits, changing the track plan, hand spiking TruScale ready track, etc.

At age 14 I was working in the local hobby shop and doing repairs, belonged to two clubs and the NMRA, and was building benchwork for a bigger layout - with hand laid track, hard shell scenery, and scratch building freight cars and structures.

So, here is my take, 4 is a little young for HO, but only a little, they grow up fast. I am already “training” my 2 year old grandson to handle HO - he can put his HO Bachmann Thomas and Percy on the track just fine and work my Aristo throttles.

I put a loop of Bachmann On30 under the tree with some “Christmas houses”, he runs that just fine with an Aristo wireless throttle.

A young boy brought a Lionel batery powered G-scale locomotive to one of our club open houses and wanted to run it on our outdoor layout.

It derailed constantly. None of our regular G-scale trains had any problems in the areas where the battery powered locomotive kept derailing.

The Lionel locomotives are plastic, with the motor being the only metal in them. Too light weight to stay on the track.

A regular O-scale train set with power pack would be heavier and last longer than the battery-powered locomotive.

I received an 0-27 Lionel set at age five. Wonderful toy, lots of fond memories, and it’s been a long time. You ought to do something for your grandson while he is young enough. Think about 0 or 0-27 trains, they are big enough to be satisfying toys but take up less space than G-guage. HO is a possibility, but I think the larger trains make better toys. 0 gauge costs more than HO, but if you can afford it, I’d go with the larger scale.

Battery power is less satifying than real AC power from a wall socket. I don’t see any safety issues. After all his house is packed with wall sockets and plugs, and he has learned not to stick his fingers into wall sockets. The transformer plug is just like every other plug in the house.

If it were me, the main factor would be on the performance of the rechargeable battery. How long will it run and equally important, how long does it take to recharge? If the run time is okay, perhaps a second battery so one is always charged.

“The battery is dead” will get real old, real fast, for both the child and parents…[:'(]