Lunatrain startup

Afternoon Everyone,

I just saw a video from 5008 Creatons about Lunatrain - It’s like Dreamstar, but it’s multiple routes, and it’s still overnight. Here’s their website. Just by looking at the first section of the website, the image of the passenger cars seems to be Siemens Venture Cars


Credit: Lunatrain Inc.

They run primarily in the Eastern United States on currently active Amtrak routes, which may cause some issues and may raise competition with Amtrak, since Amtrak runs overnight trains sometimes.


Credit: Lunatrain Inc.

They are apparently leasing Venture cars from Brightline but also placing a mass order for Venture cars from Siemens - May take 4-5 Years since their new plant in California isn’t completed and they are behind on orders.

Here’s the Amtrak Map with the current routes, and I would compare it to Lunatrains and see how similar it is on the Eastern Half of the US


Credit: Wikipedia

Here’s an excerpt from the website, if this may help for some of you:
What is Lunatrain?

Lunatrain is a private, early-stage company based in Philadelphia, PA with a mission to bring better travel to North America. Lunatrain is launching innovative night trains that are a more comfortable, more convenient, and safer alternative to flying and driving.

Lunatrain solves the problems with existing overnight trains in the United States, which currently suffer from being too expensive, too unreliable, and dated accommodations that don’t meet the needs of today’s travelers. Lunatrain has designed a service that offers private sleeping cabins for all types of travelers and is cost-competitive with flying.

Who is Lunatrain for?

Lunatrain is targeting the growing number of travelers who are frustrated with worsening air travel and traffic-choked highways for making trips across the United States and Canada. Specifically, frustrated travelers living in major metropolitan regions where airports can be nearly an hour or more away from the city center, and where existing long-distance overnight trains are an impractical alternative.

These travelers have an unmet need for travel that meets their comfort and convenience standards at an affordable price.

What will Lunatrain look like?

Lunatrain will offer a variety of advanced purchase reserved private sleeping cabins that can accommodate a wide range of traveler needs. Distinct cabin types will be designed specifically for (1) solo travelers, (2) couples, and (3) families and groups travelling together. All private cabins include comfortable beds and linens, plentiful power outlets for charging many devices simultaneously, and secure locking mechanisms.

Guests will have access to onboard amenities like high-speed Wi-Fi for work and entertainment, onboard dining and lounge spaces, and showers.

Where will Lunatrain operate?

Lunatrain will operate a network of express, nonstop night trains between major cities and destinations throughout the United States and Canada. This network will extend across the East Coast and Midwest, and will be anchored in the New York, NY and Philadelphia, PA regions.

Lunatrain’s network is focused exclusively on trips that can be completed in a single night, delivering significant value to travelers by minimizing the number of waking hours they spend traveling. The network also prioritizes origins and destinations that have excellent connections to regional transit for last-mile transportation.

When will Lunatrain begin operations?

Lunatrain is currently at the earliest stages of designing and launching its innovative new night train service. As such, there is no exact timeline for when full-scale commercial service will begin.

However, a demonstration unit is scheduled to launch before the second half of 2026 that will showcase prototype versions of Lunatrain’s private cabins and onboard amenities. It is anticipated that this demonstration unit will be used to conduct usability testing with customers and generating feedback that will help refine the final product designs.

Is Lunatrain a luxury train?

While Lunatrain aims to include some of the creature comforts you might find in a premium hotel, it is not a “luxury” train. Although globally celebrated trains like The Orient Express and Japan Railways’ Seven Stars are excellent high-end experiences, tickets can cost thousands of dollars per passenger. That’s unaffordable for most travelers and makes these trains impractical as a real alternative to flying and driving. Lunatrain is an offering with broad appeal that will include several service classes that are cost-competitive with flights on the same route.

How can I stay in touch or get involved with Lunatrain?

If you’re interested in staying up to date with Lunatrain’s progress, learning about the travel industry from our Insights blog, and being the first to know when tickets go on sale, sign up for our waitlist.

For investors, partners, and other business inquiries, contact info@ridelunatrain.com or reach out through the contact form.

For media inquiries, contact media@ridelunatrain.com

For career opportunities, keep an eye on the careers page for new job openings.

No, Im not advertising this, just came to mind, and I’m wondering what you all will think about it

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Run by a pretty young IT guy.

Based on the name and paint scheme, I have a feeling I know what fandom he is a part of.

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I thought it might be a proposed passenger train on the moon now that space tourism is starting to be a thing.

Was the original announcement made on April 1st by chance?

Jeff

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And what would that be?

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I don’t know about this. He has two routes through already-congested Atlanta, one of which duplicates the new Amtrak service from Dallas via Meridian, and the other of which runs down a curve-and train-infested route from Nashville… both without a shred of Amtrak’s ability to compel railroads to give him operating rights. Likewise he will not get Amtrak’s $225m cap on incident liability. If he thinks at some point he can run his ‘train’ as a private block on the front or the rear of existing Amtrak ‘transportation’ trains – two words with their own world of cautionary tales: Iowa Pacific.

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Lunatrain is a few months old they announced their plans in September 2024 and they used ACTUAL renderings of rolling stock (Siemens Venture Cars) not like Dreamstar using AI generated images of Futuristic trains and claiming that they are ‘refurbishing’ 1950s era passenger cars for overnight travel

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Don’t invest in either one until you see hard operating plans, including how they expect to keep time over the track segments they use.

A “rendering” of an existing car is just as much vaporware as using stock pictures of some HSR vehicle. Until the contracts for equipment are signed and the equipment is successfully built and tested, it doesn’t matter what claims get spun.

Be highly interested in just what amenities, and what staffing level, they propose to use in a Siemens Venture shell to be attractive to a sufficient clientele of repeat business. On those issues alone, the long-term viability of the business depends.

Iowa Pacific used that ‘rebuilt cars of the Fifties’ approach… and they didn’t have to run their own trains. I have to wonder whether either the Lunatrain or Dreamstar people think they’re going to run Rocky Mountaineer service on a budget in overnight corridors… I don’t think that’s going to work (although I would love it if it did!)

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You have a point, @Woke_Hoagland. I’m not investing in anything at the moment anyway because of the stocks dropping because of inflation and the tariffs, and YES, it would be awesome if they did run overnight Rocky Mountaineer service.

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one route touted is in my back yard. would be neat if it happens. I will NOT be holding my breath until! mike endmrw0422251155

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Sounds to me like this would be interesting if they were to start up, I will be watching/keeping an eye out for any news from Dreamstar or Lunatrain, Thanks @GabeTehGameh for the info on Lunatrain

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Overnight between LA and the Bay area would be nice and they might get a fair bit of ridership. Getting to a Bay Area destination at ~9AM by air from SoCal requires a 4AM wakeup time.

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4AM wake up times are annoying and an overnight between LA and the Bay area would be nice (I lived in California for a couple of months just to railfan)

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A concern I have is that if we use the ex-Daylight route via San Luis Obispo, the perceived ride quality may be like the PRR over the Alleghenies in the middle of the night. There would be something of an argument to use California Zephyr-style 40mph (i.e. PSR-compatible) consistent running speed, with relative lack of accelerations, checks, or stops (other than as scheduled for passengers) a priority. If it were my operation, I’d get it near terminal by, say, 7:30, but allow uninterrupted occupancy of the sleeping accommodations and the train amenities until after 9:00 or even 10:00.

Of course that involves Oakland if you don’t want the great way round via the peninsula and all the electric Caltrain moves. That may not fully suit what San Francisco riders would expect from ‘their’ luxury train; on the other hand, touting the train so it goes early through the Silicon Valley area might be quite an advantage…

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Anyone else remember the new overnight sleeperbus craze 5-10 years ago?

That fizzled out pretty quick.

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For fun, consider the Pickwick Nite Coach service from the '20s forward.

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The Espee Daylight took about 10 hours for the LA to SF run, a 7PM to 7AM would allow for lower speeds over the Cuesta grade.

FWIW, the ride on the Espee coast line was pretty good in 1976, which was when the Espee was still making a halfway’s decent profit. I do remember it seeming better than the Surf Line in 1976, though the relative ride quality has likely changed since then.

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I never knew the Espee ran overnight trains.

I’m Learning something new every day :slight_smile:!

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They didn’t run any overnight trains called ‘Daylights’, if that’s what you’re wondering. Hint: what did they call SP train 95 when it ran in the late '40s and into the '50s?

Erik was just saying that a typical Daylight schedule transposed to an overnight ‘window’ would work as a schedule.

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Oh, Ok, thanks, Woke. And to answer your hint its Starlight.

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Right you are!

Note how this informs Amtrak’s calling their train the ‘Coast Starlight.’… one of their more evocative names.

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