missouri free weekend

Trains Magazine General Discussion
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Hello everyone,

In case any of you are wondering where missouri is over the weekend, I wanted to let everyone know that I’ve given missouri a “time out” from the site. This was soley my own doing and decision. On Monday, I’ll let Erik and others know about this and we’ll go from there.

I respect everyone’s right to an opinion and freedom of speech. On the other hand, people also have the right to choose what they read and what they listen to. Private sites also have the right to choose what they publish on their sites. Having said that, it’s my opinion that missouri has gone on long enough with the anti-railroad postings. Quoting documents and citing references out of context, the tone of his posts and the unrelenting direct accusations made against the railroad and the people who work for the railroads are some of the things that factored into my decision.

So before Monday, I would like to get some feedback from all of you regarding the actions taken against missouri. What do you think about the situation. Do you agree, disagree or feel indifferent?

Thank you,
David Voss

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David, bravo my friend! We have heard enough anti-rail rantings from Missouri and need no more. The pages of this forum had been very informative but have degraded due to people like Missouri, and it is time to get back to really meaty railroad issues and make this a fun forum to participate in again. Again, bravo and thanks.

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Sir, most of us on this site have had our patience streched to the limit by Missouri. Most of us have given up trying to explain anything to this person. I have attempted several efforts to try to understand his intentions (please note the post I sent him on 13 jul 2003 at 10:12:54 AM under thread titled Safty Literature). He refuses to answer the most basic question directed towards him. I believe he posts stuff just to disrupt this Forum Site.
TIM A

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You guys are getting awfully worked up about missouri. When I was a kid, my parents told me that persons like missouri are either trying to draw attention to themselves or trying to see if they can get someone all worked-up, and that if everyone would ignore them, they’d go away.

Just make him go away!

I view these forums as a means of furthering knowledge about railroading. There are enough idiots to deal with in daily life without having to get into it here. I will admit that all this todo over missouri is slightly amusing though.

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rrwitt - I believe that you are correct. missouri may just want attention or he most likely wants to get things started. David, I am thankful that you took him off for the weekend. I was going to the forum less and less because of him!

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Missouri has been on other sites and has exhibited the same antisocial behaviors. I think that those of us who have put up with him here and elsewhere have had enough. I certainly don’t need that stuff when I decide to come here for relaxation and railroad related conversation.

In sum, Mr. Voss I agree with your decision in nature, but the scope is not yet broad enough. Exile might be more appropriate.

LC

LC

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While Mr Pine and myself have strongly dissagreed over just about every aspect of his postings, and share no common point of view, in fact, without ever having met the man, I can state I don’t like him, I am not sure I feel comfortable with someone being banned. Granted, this site is the property of Kalmbach, and you are free to do with it as you please.
Yes, its appearent that his postings are designed to do nothing more than cause problems and start fights, with him at the center, getting the attention he has sought since the begining.
But the flip side is, what if I post something no one else agrees with?
Do I get a time out for not being popular?
But, yes, lets see if a time out works, and Mr Pines gets the hint.
If not, then next time, you might poll the users of this site, and see what they would like done. Still not sure I am comfortable with it, but we have to try something.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

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I think everyone agrees that there is more that can be done regarding safety and railroad crossings. I also think that most wouldn’t mind having a constructive discussion about what has been done in the past, present and what can be done in the future to improve the safety of railroad crossings. That is how things like Operation Lifesaver and many other programs get started.

However I feel that missouri has crossed the line when he continuously accuses the railroads and it’s employess of being murderers, having no concern for public safety, falsification of official reports, tampering with accident scenes, conspiracies, payoffs/bribes to government officials, and so on. The fact is that he has been very disruptive to the members of the community who frequent the Railroading forum. Some members have become less active and/or have stopped visiting the forums because of missouri’s actions.

Railroad concern for crossing safety
Look at this dumb butt in Texas
Darwinism & Public Safety
#8
Safety Literature

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I think you said it best (but in reverse order) of the point I wanted to make.

It’s one thing to post something that no one else agrees with. We’re not going to ban someone due to a difference of opinion or for complaints made about the website, our magazines, books, videos, etc.

There is a point though where it goes from being merely a difference of opinions, criticism, or a friendly argument to being disruptive and doing “nothing more than cause problems and start fights”.

That was partially the intention of this thread.

Personally, I’m comfortable with the idea, at least until Mon if I’ve proved to have been overzealous in my actions. [;)]

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To: DAVID VOSS: You are right in putting missouri on hold temporarily. He needs dicipline.

To ED: If you post something unpoplular 1 time that’s not grounds for time out. Missouri has been excessivly obnoxious and persistant on 1 issue constantly using slanderous, seditious, and inflamatory remarks. Everything DAVID VOSS stated was correct. That was reasonably grounds for a “time out.”

I said somewhere before to just ignore him and let his topic remain at “0” replies and drop to the bottom. Those 10 pages in his topics I’ve noticed are just people mostly talking to each other instead of talking to him.

But, I’d rather have adminstrators take the final actions, if necessary. I don’t want to get into a “vote people off” situation like on “reality tv” because next thing you know we’ll be voting people off left and right.

Now, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, that “missouri” can pack more words into the least ideas of anyone I know.

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Thank you went train watching today saw 5 NS freights and one NCDOT passenger train and only once somebody ran the gates he was in a company car.Say railroads dont care they dont woant delays such as crossing collisions they do take a lot of time to clear up .

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Believe another member said it earlier,but this is a forum where we can get together and exchange thoughts and ideas,etc. We don’t always have to agree with each other,and there will always be the guy who thinks Alco’s are the greatest diesels ever built. nothing wrong with that,and at the end let’s still be railfans,railroaders.modelers,and friends.

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Dave

I, too, have had my fill of Missouri, or Mr. Pine, as Ed called him. There are people whose mission in life is to throw grenades and yank chains simply to get a hornets nest stirred up, and then walk away laughing about those stupid jerks that can’t see what’s going on. It is sad to say, but I think Missouri is one of them. I have to deal with people of his attitude and actions 8 hours a day. That is 8 hours too many and I don’t need it here.

I have said, and others have also, if we ignore him, he will go away. When he initiates a thred, don’t visit and don’t answer. If he tries to disrupt an ongoing thread, ignore him. Unfortunately, while the rest of us wait for him to go away, a lot of the folks we would like to talk with will go away first - and not come back.

I have been with the web site since 2001 and declined to participate, in part, for the Missouri types that seem to infest these forums elsewhere. it’s not the disagreements of opinion, it’s how he handles it. Another participant on these forums had been on a jury about a crossing accident, and got all worked up about “the evil railroads”. He could have put himself in Missouri’s current position, but he did not. He acknowledged others valid opinions and the realities of the “real situations”. He did not change his mind. He did not become obnoxious and, I believe, still is a valuable contributor to our discussions here.

Since you are asking for suggestions, here is mine. Keep him off, say, the rest of July. Then, let him post, and if you can, monitor his posts prior to them actually getting on the site. That way, if he still is being a bad boy, we are free of his actions. If you can’t monitor first, than monitor afterwords, and if he has not shaped up, than a permanent boot. No questions asked, no notice given.

I do not wi***o have anyone banned from these forums, but when we have a disease, we do things that rid our bodies of that disease. Missouri is a disease. <

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To Dave Voss: He’s back! See Kalmback publishing and censorship thread started by our old nemesis Missouri, now calling himself Missouri2. PLEASE GET RID OF THIS IDIOT NOW!

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After being on several other forums I’ve recently came back “home”. I have observed on these other forums the “trolls/idiots/a#$@%les” an it made things unsavory at times. Coming home, I started to catch up on several threads thinking “AAHHH” this is better. Thein there it was, the dreaded antagonist “MISSOURI”!! Oh, crap!!

Well my vote is send him to the far reaches of the internet!

Lets talk trains not trash.

take care Tim[:)]

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I would be even happier if he were not invited back again.

I worry that his activity may be more sinister than to just get people stirred up.

The other Ed

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David
Mr.Pines aka missouri has not only used this site but other sites as well to call railroaders murders etc etc.I think it was limited clear who found other articles to other papers.I found one in the sullivan newspaper editorial page 7-5 -03 where he does what he does here.thanks to goab who found his address too.I feel that he doesn’t get it and will use any means at his disposal to continue his ravings.
stay safe
joe

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David:

Thank you for providing this website, and the work you have done to make it better. I bet the forum membership would like to know what kind of costs are incurred to make this forum possible. We may need to all buy a magazine and a book or two each year to help support it!

It is my opinion that Kalmbach has a right to expect a certain behavior from forum members. Certain words cannot be used. Offensive posts need to be banned and removed when they occur. Violators of these policies must be dealt with. You will have to prepare for a scale of actions that could be implemented to meet the severity if the infraction. Missouri falls into this category. The “time out” may just be one of the first in a series of actions that could be taken. The initial stages may be privately between Kalmbach & the member, with information posed on the site where the more severe measures would be posted. Then you can cite the rule, if you do this enough, we could & would do that.

Quoting:
Having said that, it’s my opinion that missouri has gone on long enough with the anti-railroad postings. Quoting documents and citing references out of context, the tone of his posts and the unrelenting direct accusations made against the railroad and the people who work for the railroads are some of the things that factored into my decision.

Missouri had become an abuser of the system. I agree with your actions so far. I doubt if we have seen the end of this episode.
Thank you

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Mr. Voss.
I agree with your decision. I also agree with the other contribtors: the best way to rid ourselves of the pest is to ignore it. This person can always reenter the site under a new name, so to ban a particular name is probably more symbolic than anything.

However, what we the members of this forum, can do to rid ourselves, is to not reply (however strong the urge) to any entry that resembles the ramblings of the delusional. We can refuse to even view a site that has Missouri in the name, and if we are duped by an alias into reading another entry, we can just not reply.

Just think how you would feel seeing your lenthly, involved post be viewed hundreds of times, and receive NO replys. Or one that you sign your name and NOBODY even looks at it. That would kinda take the fun out of trying to be irritating.

Again, David, thanks for your involvement.

jim

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David: from your own site:
"is unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, libelous, deceptive, fraudulent, invasive of another’s privacy, tortuous, contains explicit or graphic descriptions or accounts of sexual acts (including but not limited to sexual language of a violent or threatening nature directed at another individual or group of individuals), or otherwise violates Kalmbach Publishing Company#8217;s rules or policies; "
If only his stuff was just sexual!
I think he qualifies under at least 5 of the above adjectives. He is also frequently incoherent – rants often are.