My dream HO scale layout, for the future

I will be discussing what I would consider my ideal dream HO scale layout, in the future on a budget. I’m currently living in an apartment, I don’t have lot’s of space available. I have no idea how much space (or budget) I might have available in the future, so I’m keeping my plans realistic and achievable. Because of my living situation, I believe aiming at a point to point switching layout on shelving, would be a practical dream to have. To keep it on a budget, I would be avoiding sound and DCC, instead doing plain old DC power. My plan is to model somewhere between 1940 and 1960 approximately. I would be keeping to small steam locomotives (such as 0-6-0, 4-6-0, 2-8-0), and 4 axle (8 wheel) diesel locomotives, and freight cars between generally 40 and 50 feet long. That kind of equipment is more compatible with small layouts.

I might decide to model something like the short line Ma & Pa (Maryland and Pennsylvania) Railroad. At its peak, the railroad had sixteen locomotives, and 160 pieces of rolling stock. Or I might do proto-freelancing, operating an imaginary freelanced railroad, as if it’s a real full size prototype railroad. I might purchase the majority of my locomotives undecorated, and paint and decal them myself. I already have a few painted Athearn Blue Box diesel locomotives, but I might get some undecorated shells and decorate them myself, in my own freelanced scheme.

For various reasons I intend to keep to using mostly Athearn Blue Box diesel locomotives for my fleet. Perhaps a few locomotives from other companies (like vintage Atlas, Stewart Hobbies, Kato, Hobbytown of Boston, etc). But at first the majority will be Athearn Blue Box diesels bought undecorated to paint and decal myself. I will super detail the Athearn locomotives, so they look a little more realistic. I prefer the Blue Box locomotives with the metal hand rails, I don’t like fragile plastic hand rails. Currently I have a handful of locomotives.

Currently I have about 25 freight cars, the majority are Athearn BB and MDC Roundhouse kits. Eventually I will get more freight cars from various manufacturers, such as Athearn Yellow and Blue Box kits, Model Die Casting Roundhouse kits, Globe Models, Accurail kits, Atlas, Kato, Kadee, Branch Line Trains, Bowser, Con-Cor, IHC, AHM, Rivarossi, Life-Like, Life-Like Proto 2000, Life-Like Proto 1000, Bachmann, Bachmann Plus, Bachmann Silver Series, Model Power, Tyco, Mantua, Silver Streak, Ulrich, Quality Craft, Gloor Craft Models, Varney, Revell, Penn-Line, Red Ball, Menzies, Ambroid, Labelle, Ye Old Huff’ n Puff, Train Miniature, Walthers, Marx HO, Lionel HO, Gilbert American Flyer HO, Roco, Lima, Fleischmann (American versions), etc.

I will upgrade most of the locomotives to have body mounted Kadee couplers. And most freight cars to have metal wheels and body mounted Kadee couplers. A few can keep the original horn hook couplers. I will paint and decal some of the locomotives and freight cars. And make most of them look dirty and weathered, and modify and add details as needed, etc.

With the nicer freight cars (such as Athearn, Roundhouse, Accurail, Atlas, etc), I will be adding metal wheelsets and Kadee couplers as needed. With the train set quality freight cars (Tyco, Model Power, AHM, etc) I will be adding separate roof walks, brake wheels, ladders, individual grab irons and steps, etc. And adding metal wheelsets and body mounted Kadee couplers. And I will paint and decal many of them. Unless I want to keep them original. And add weight so everything is according to NMRA weight standards, or at least close enough to it. That way the least expensive plastic models can look and perform as good as the more expensive models.

I plan on using code 100 flextrack, both nickle silver and brass rails because it’s already on hand. I might scratch build some of my own switches (turnouts), or I might use Atlas Custom Line, Peco, Shinohara, Micro-Engineering, Walthers, etc turnouts. I could also use code 83 track and turnouts. I would prefer to use switches that are all metal through the frogs, no plastic frogs. I have a decent amount (around 30 to 35) of the vintage Tru-Scale turnout kits, with the “high speed” closed frog design. I just don’t know if I want to use all of that vintage code 100 brass track, and replace it with nickle silver track. I could handlay my own track and turnouts, with code 70 and 83 rails, soldered to PCB (printed circuit board ties), and individual wood ties glued down to the roadbed. It would look better compared to the old code 100 track I have, and be very economical to scratch build my own turnouts.

I will be using regular DC power packs from MRC (Model Rectifier Corporation), I don’t need DCC. I already have a couple Tech 2 MRC power packs anyway.

I plan on building my own structures and buildings from scratch, from simple kits, and kit bashing, and modifying structures. And I will also purchase some used kits, and modify and repaint them to look better. Purchase non-painted figures (people) and paint them myself. Build my own trees from scratch.

I will be modeling a short line freelanced imaginary railroad, or something like the Ma and Pa (Maryland and Pennsylvania). In either case set in rural mountain type scenery, with lot’s of bridges and some tunnels. And some small towns and industry for switching. I will purposely buy equipment that is known to handle 18 to 22 inch radius curves, because I might never have lot’s of space to build a large layout with wide sweeping curves. Which means short steam locomotives and 4 axle diesel locomotives, and freight cars no longer then about 50 feet. I don’t want to buy longer equipment and never be able to use it on a layout. I currently live in an apartment, so I will be planning on what makes sense for a small layout.

If I happen to move to a larger place in the future, like a home with a basement, then sure I would get some longer locomotives and rolling stock. But otherwise I will keep to shorter equipment, which can handle 18 to 22 inch radius curves.

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i had ambitions of using steam, but unpowered frogs are a challenge. So i put my brass camelbacks to the side and bought some used Atlas-Kato GP7s that run really well and can navigate over the frogs.

i use over-center springs to hold points moving them manually with a finger

you may not want to use brass rail. the brass oxidation layer is non-conducting.

you should consider collecting cars in the era that you want to model. Every car has a build date. ~1/3 should be the road name you’re modeling, ~1/3 for nearby road and ~1/3 for more distant road.

while i bought some used stations and freight houses at a train show and hope to buy more at train shows, i’ve been building cardboard industries and glued on printed windows. They give me practice building structures later as well as seeing what makes sense. I’ve also just printed building flats.

you might consider this chest of drawers idea

it helps to be electrically savy to minize cost. ebay has inexpensive PWM controllers, some with reversing switches

i happen to modeling a few towns along a rail line down a valley in pennsylvania

do you plan to operate or just run trains? The following photo from the 1940s shows what is essential for operation

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Hi there. I’ve been working in a limited space for years. From my experience, it’s more satisfying if you focus more on quality than quantity.

For locos, I prefer steam because it packs a lot of little action, with many small moving parts, in a small space. Sound is also a nice feature that adds interest in a small space. And ironically, DCC will make operations easier as it facilitates the use of multiple locos in a tight space. And most steamers will run fine through turnouts, even old locos with a few tweaks.

Simon

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The smallest layout I have ever had was 5x18, 90 sq ft of benchwork. But over the years I have planned a few small layouts for others.

My thoughts on small layouts:

As Simon suggested, If you have any interest in sound, or any notion of more than one train moving at a time, DCC is more important on a small layout than it is on a large one.

A small layout is the only situation were sound would be of any interest to me, in that close up intimate relationship with one loco at a time.

I have always had turnouts with powered frogs, so I have never had issues with steam locos or small locos. Even if you use manually controlled turnouts, there are several easy ways to power frogs. But, they do involve a little more work than simple over center springs or the built in springs in some brands.

Best of luck,

Sheldon

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Thank you everyone for your replies. Greyc, I already know about the over center springs used to keep the points from moving, I have watched a few of those videos in the past. And I have read articles in model railroading magazines about that method. It’s been used for at least 50 years.

And yes I will be choosing mostly cars from the era I want to run. I might move the era around a little, perhaps up to 1970 or 1980, before I finalize on a plan. But I will still need to keep to short freight cars (no longer then about 50 feet), to be practical on tight radius curves, which are typical on small layouts. And thank you for your ideas about using cardboard and paper buildings as a mockup, and your chest of drawers idea. I like that idea for storage. I cannot use it right now, because space is very tight in my apartment. But it would be a good idea for the future. Depending on where I live 5, 10, or 15 years in the future. And yes I plan on doing operations, not just running trains.

Snjroy, I agree that it’s better to focus more on quality then quantity. The majority of my freight car collection will be the Athearn Blue Box kits, MDC Roundhouse kits, and kit’s from other brands. I like to build freight car kits. But sometimes I will purchase freight cars from other brands, which are assembled from the factory. Sometimes they come as a group (lot) on eBay, along with Athearn and MDC freight cars. I can always add a few details to improve those other models to match Athearn.

Overall I prefer operating diesel over steam locomotives. While I love watching all the moving parts of steam locomotives, the small leading and trailing wheels have a habit of derailing more often, compared to the driving wheels. I have more problems with a 2-6-2 for example, compared to a 0-6-0, because the 2-6-2 has those extra wheels in the front and back. Those small wheels are almost always the first to come off the track.

And sure I like the extra features that sound and DCC brings to the table. I don’t deny that. But at the same time, I want to use mostly old vintage locomotives, some made 50 to 75 years ago.

I want the layout to be a layout, showcasing vintage trains from long ago, but have them nicely detailed and weathered. Like what the masters built in the 1940’s to 1980’s. And besides, most of my model railroading books and magazines, are from the 1940’s to 1980’s time period. It’s what I want to create for myself. People like John Allen, John Olsen, John Armstrong, Frank Ellison, Louis Hertz, Al Kalmbach, Harold Carstens, Tony Koester, Paul Mallery, Allen McClelland, Malcolm Furlow, Bruce Chubb, Lynn Wescott, Dale and Keith Edwards, Whit Towers, Bill Mcclanahan, Jim Findley, Jim Hediger, Gordon Odegard, Bob Hegge, Dave Frary, Bob Hayden, etc.

For the time being, I will only be operating one locomotive (or train) at a time, so I can get by with plain old DC. And like I have said, I want to be able to operate some very old locomotives.

I’m not planning anything large or complicated, only something small and simple. It’s just something to model living in an apartment. If I ever move to a larger place (like purchase a home with a basement), my main layout will be a 3 rail Postwar Lionel and Marx type 027 gauge layout. The HO scale trains would be kept for a smaller switching layout, perhaps in a spare bedroom.

I don’t know what will happen in the future, but right now I’m a bachelor. I’m not married, I don’t have any children. So if I bought even just a small two bedroom home with a basement, I would have plenty of space to build a layout in the basement for postwar Lionel and Marx trains. And build a small HO scale layout in the spare bedroom, which would be sharing the 2nd bedroom with my office (for my desktop computer). The HO scale layout could be built on shelving along the walls, and still allow enough space for a little office.

Perhaps I would use DCC on a HO scale layout in the future, but I doubt it. For example the Lionel layout would be strictly AC powered, using postwar AC transformers. I want to be able to run old vintage Lionel and Marx locomotives, some of them made in the 1940’s. It’s the same with HO scale. I might be running HO scale locomotives made in the 1940’s for example.

Don’t get me wrong, I like computers and electronics. I have been building and repairing desktop computers since the middle 1990’s, and repairing laptops a little later since the late 1990’s. I know my way around computers, the internet and technology. But I don’t want the added cost and complexity of computers and electronics in my model trains. I even like windup (clockwork) trains, simply because they are so mechanical in nature. I find it fascinating to wind up a mechanical clockwork locomotive, and watch it run around by itself, until the spring unwinds.

Even with my other hobbies, I’m slowing going to mechanical and old school technology. I’m becoming more interested in vintage bicycles, when they were mostly all steel frames. I’m no longer interested in the newest bicycles, because I don’t like some of the advances or changes happening. I don’t want the carbon fiber parts, electronic shifters, batteries and e-bikes, etc. I would rather have the older bicycles.

I feel the same way about model trains now, I would rather have the older tried and true technology. Analog controls (DC for HO scale, AC for Lionel and Marx). I want to buy mostly kits, not everything assembled in the box. I want most of my model trains to have been made here in the United States (or in Japan or Europe). Not everything made in China.

I want model trains where I can repair everything myself, the repair or replacement parts are available, I don’t want a bunch of fragile details. That’s why I like Athearn Blue Box locomotives very much. There were so many made, there are still tons of parts available on the used market. Many of the parts are interchangeable between the various diesels Athearn made in the Blue Box era. I happen to prefer the metal handrails, I don’t like fragile plastic handrails. The mechanisms are usually very durable and budget friendly. Tons of super detailing parts available for Athearn diesels.

As for the cheaper brands of freight cars (such as Tyco, Model Power, AHM, etc), I will add enough details so they match the level of Athearn Blue Box and MDC Roundhouse freight car kits. Along with metal wheels and body mounted Kadee couplers. Some of them will get separately applied details (roof walks, ladders, stirrup steps, etc) as needed. And some will get repainted, decals and weathered to look nicer.

Even my future 3 rail Lionel layout would be built as a “Hi-Rail” type layout. In other words the Lionel and Marx trains will get weathered, some extra details added, some of them will be repainted and decaled to look more realistic. I would add extra ties to the Lionel track, it will be ballasted and weathered, to look more realistic. And most of the buildings and structures would also get added details, many repainted, most will be weathered. But still using the vintage Marx and Lionel locomotives made many years ago, because they are easier to repair, the parts are easier to find on the used market, they are usually very durable toy trains. There are no electronics, no computer chips to malfunction or fail.