[:)]What is the NYC steam locomotive equivalent of the 765 called?Hudson or Mohawk?
Neither. They were called Berkshires just like NKP 765.
Mohawks were 4-8-2’s called ‘Mountains’ by most roads.
Hudsons were 4-6-4’s, many roads had Hudsons. Even Nickel Plate.
Berkshires were 2-8-4’s. Named after the Berkshire Hills along the Boston and Albany, a New York Central owned railroad.
And the C&O called theirs “Kanawhas.”
Many railroads simply referred to various locomotives by their class. Louisville & Nashville Berks were class M-1, but that somehow got them the nickname “Big Emma’s”
Some railroads were too proud (or stuck up, your choice) to call the various classes by their “given” nicknames, so gave them a name of their own, such as NYC and the Mohawks.
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Can’t we add Boynton Bicycle to the ranks of the 0-3-0s?
And Kitson-Meyer is a different configuration altogether from any Garratt; it has the motor units immediately flanking a low firebox, instead of having the whole boiler between.
Likewise, no Garratt would be a double Hudson; it would have pin-guided trucks at both ends of the motor units which would make it a mandatory double Baltic.
(And while we’re at it, the Mexican 4-8-4s are NIAGARAS, no matter how many dubious scholars try to make it rhyme with an ED nostrum. The blueprints are proof enough.)
Penny,
Thanks for your heroic and comendable inclusion of the list of wheel classification of steam locomotives known as the Whyte System.
I would like to point out one of the more egregious errors regarding the “Mountain” and “Northern” classifications in the list.
New York Central - 4-8-4 “Northerns” were called “Niagara” after the endless and remarkable power of the on line Niagra River and Niagara Falls - one of the regional wonders of the Great Lakes of North America.
New York Central - 4-8-2 “Mountains” were called “Mohawk” because of the famed advertising of the railroad as the “Water Level Route.” For obvious reasons there were no “mountains” on the Central - only rivers like the Mohawk river named after the Native American tribe of the region.
Cheapeake And Ohio - 4-8-4 “northern” were called “Greenbrier” for less obvious reasons likely pertaining to the more southerly geography of the railway and locally famous Greenbrier hills outside of Washington DC. Americans were very touchy about the words north and south after the American Civil War as were the British in banning the Scottish kilt and bagpipes for 100 years after the Jacobite rebellion of Scotland.
Louisville and Nashville - 4-8-4 “Northern” were called “Dixie” because of the same hatred of the injury and loss to property and persons that happened in the American Civil War. “Dixie” was the famous battle song of the southern armies in the conflict. Regional disputes still evident in American politics today with the continued rejection of statues of military heros of the south and north.
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“Equivalent” doesn’t have to mean 2-8-4. Only the questioner knows what he meant, but I’d guess the answer is Mohawk. NYCentral 4-8-2s were likely equivalenter than the P&LE 2-8-4s.
Wikipedia’s errors, not mine. [;)]
I think the formatting of the list on Wikipedia is confusing.
It looks to me like the 4-8-2 classification has only two names next to it - Mountain and Mohawk.
Then, the list for the 4-8-4 classification is so large that it extends both above and below the 4-8-4 graphic. And it does include Niagara right after Northern. Notice the slightly larger gap between the line with Mountain and Mohawk and the first line with Northern, Niagara, Confederation, etc.
If you follow the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whyte_notation you’ll see that the original list included outlined boxes or “cells” for each entry. Those didn’t copy doing a simple cut and paste.
And the Virginian (VGN) called them Berkshire (BA class).
As touched upon in an earlier post, actual railroaders rarely used these nicknames; they either used the class name or more often the number series, like “Eight Hundreds” or “Twenty-Four Hundreds”.