I just read where John Allen made 60% of his rolling stock, 90% of his structures, and 100% of his figures.
Just how in the heck do you do that? Make figures.
I’m still trying to figure out how to get hte little green and red jewels glued into the half BB sized lights that go on sides of the 4-6-0 kit. I can’t even hold them with tweezers. And you have to file the crud off first.
See Alter Question Below
John Allen made his figures by adding candle wax over a wire armature and then carving it to shape. Wirks well, but is really too fragile and time-consuming for me.
Most military modelers (NOT wargamers!) use Milliput (now available from Micro Mark) to make some of the best miniatures I’ve ever seen. I’ve heard that the low-temp clay found in craft stores works well too.
I’ll stick with buying Preiser & Musket Miniature figs!
“Hey SpaceMouse”.
My uncle use to make his own figures too by pouring molten soft metal into molds. A lot of people don’t like fooling with it because it contains lead and it’s easy to get burned if you’re not careful. If and after the casting process the figures are detail painted, they look factory made.
As for working with small items. I take masking tape and double it backwards to make a ring with the sticky side out. I then stick the ring to the surface of my work table, get a little spit on the tip of my finger which I use to pick the item up, stick it to the tape and use a razor blade to carefully trim it with. I then use the razor to get underneath the item and work it loose from the tape, again using a little spit on the tip of my finger to pick the object up and put it in place. You can also use a tooth pick and a little white glue to pick items up and set them in place, then wipe the glue off with a wet paper towel before it dries.
Hope I didn’t gross you out with the spit part…
trainluver1
Good tip.
John Allen wrote an excellent piece on making figures from wax and published it in MR in 1949; if you contact MR, they can probably send you a Xeroxed reprint. Even if you have a John Allen level of skill, it’s probably not possible to make them look as good as most commercially available figures, so you would probably want to use his method to populate those areas of your layout that will be a few feet away from the viewer.
I can see how making figures by wire and wax can be time consuming and require good artist skills. I would like to try it sometime. From an article I read years ago do not use wax figures if your railroad area gets warm, the wax melts. Has anyone learned how to soften comercial figures to reshape them to a more desired position?
Jeff
John Allen also had the advantage of a fine arts degree and an art background, not to mention lots of free time (he got an inheritance that he parlayed into a permanent income) for modeling. Good eyes, lots of patience and no kids helps too.
I suppose one could create miniatures using the lost-wax method: carve a figure out of wax, then cast it in a mold, melt out the wax, and add molten metal. There are several low-temperature metals that can be used for casting–the Micro-Mark carries several that can be melted on a conventional stove.
But, really, the only reason to make your own figures is because you have a dire need to occupy your time. Miniatures aren’t cheap, but unpainted ones aren’t that expensive, and even if you need to modify and paint a miniature, it’s a lot less work and eyestrain than making your own from scratch.
Besides–in the 1940’s, you pretty much had to scratchbuild EVERYTHING.
Making figures would be a daunting task at least, even some very skilled modellers have ended up with figures that looked like they were made at playschool, I have seen 2 figures handmade and could hardly keep from bursting out loud, luckily the makers agreed how bad they were. I would proceed with purchasing good figures and spend time on painting them PROPERLY, that is, the right colors ,not shiny glistening gumbys all over the layout, check out proper painting tips.
The problem I’m having is that I haven’t found the right figures to go with my layout.
For instance, If I find women that fit the frontier, they are heavily dressed. I need ladies of the night for miners and loggers.
I have found frontier people playing checkers, but none that will sit a horse. I’ve found only a couple with cowboy hats. Now I can buy cowboy hats, but they are $3 a piece.
I’ve found two horses with saddles, but they are running and I need standing horses with saddles for the front of saloons. I need horses with harnesses for my wagons. All the horses that come with wagons are standing still looking like statues. Horses never stand like that.
So how do I alter figures to work?
you can make small v-notches in the arms, torsos, and legs of the figures with razor saws and hobby knives and then glue them into a new position to reposition their bodies…there was an article in MRR explaining how to do it…i just don’t remember which issue…Chuck
MR did a great series in the Sixties on building an 1890s layout called the “Portage Hill and Communipaw,” and they devoted an article to modifying modern figures so they’d look Victorian - the article was later included in one of their '70s-era books - I can’t remember the name (I have it at home, but I’m not there right now), but somebody on the MR staff could probably find you the article.
Thanks guys. Postiioning legs and arms I don’t see as an issue as much as clothes and saddles and hats.
And stupid question. How do I ask the staff? (Then how do I get the article from the sixties?)
Try looking here. Alternatively, go to the MR page and look up back issues.
I came up blank on the search so I emailed them. They only seem to have magazines going back to 1973.
Chip,
The Scale Structures Ltd. division of Jaks Industries has a western saddle:
http://66.241.223.134/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SS2225&Category_Code=SS2000&Product_Count=219
as well as bridles, horse collars, pitchforks, etc. Possibly they can be modified to fit other brands (unintentional pun) of horses. Don’t forget to buy some Sculpey acrylic clay of the appropriate color at a craft store to make the finishing detail - piles of horse manure !
Bob
NMRA Life 0543
SpaceMouse,
Have you tried finding Civil War period people ?. They would be dressed about like you would like them. All you’d have to do is paint them…
trainluver1
Thanks Bob,
They also have cowboy hats, 6 for $3 which is a lot better than what I was getting.
Now for the soiled doves.
It’s funny how the old west had so many euphemisms for hookers.
Mouse,
You’re not looking hard enough. Grab a copy of the Walthers catalog and flip to the figures section, and you’ll find almost everything you’re looking for. Hit a couple other websites, and you’ll definitely find everything you need. Per your message:
women that fit the frontier
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/160-42335
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/590-12045
ladies of the night
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/590-10346
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/590-10106 (you’ll need to do a bit of painting, but they’l work)
miners: http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/120-9809
loggers
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/590-10042
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/590-10495
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/785-1876
frontier people sit a horse
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/675-160
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/590-10500 (“western” saddles were NOT the only saddle in the “frontier”. Plantation, Jennifer, Hope, Grimsley, and McClellan saddles were as common, and didn’t look much like “western” saddles)
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/590-10501
with cowboy hats
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/675-160
horses with saddles standing
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/260-15011
horses with harnesses
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/528-11504
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/528-11950
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/528-11980
After looking through the Walthers catalog, go to the Musket Miniatures/Rustic Rails website:
http://www.musketminiatures.com/
Look both in the Rustic Rails HO secti
Chip,
I’m not sure they are still in business, since they don’t have a Web site, but you might also want to send a SASE for a catalog to K and L Company, they have the former Thomas Model Products line. It’s a primarily Civil War era line, and their catalog has few photos, but worth investing $0.37. Don’t think they have any “camp followers.” Their address is:
K and L Company
P. O. Box 52281
Tulsa, OK 74152
Good luck.
Bob
NMRA Life 0543
Ray,
Breat joke at the end. I have to admit the Walther’s online catalog is much better than the print version although I really can’t say that because I have not picked up a 2005 version.
I have seen all but one of the Walther’s selections that you pointed out withthe exception of one. Maybe the reason I worked so hard at ignoring them was the price. I can see dropping a couple hundred on populating a town (and it is hard to weight that against great engine with sound.) The link to Jaks industries was good one.
I need to balance cost with availbility. Thanks to you guys I’m much closer.