One Horse Town

Well, considering that it’s right by the stationmaster’s cupola, it seems an ideal place for a manually-operated train-order signal.

Re: the “Wild West”: I’d definitely suggest doing some research–it shouldn’t be too hard to do. I assume you want SOME connection to a prototype or otherwise believable line. Putting Indian tribes on a layout with a 19th Century theme wouldn’t be unheard of–I’m sure it has been done before. Perhaps the way to think of it is this: If you were modeling a 19th Century Australian railroad in the outback, how feasible/realistic would a tribe of Aborigines be? A lot depends on location–if it’s a Southwest theme, and the time period from the 1860’s-1890’s, then a few Indians on warhorses in full traditional garb certainly wouldn’t be outside the realm of possibility.

One thing you might consider adding to your town is a defunct industry–many ghost towns became ghost towns after the economic reason for the town’s existence went away or tapped out. This could be a mine (gold, silver, guano, etc.) or the remains of a logging town gone bankrupt, or other speculator’s wild dream gone awry.

Of course, plenty of small towns existed for not much more reason than there was a railroad nearby–but they would at least have a team track!

The G&D rolling stock isn’t impossible to find but it is kind of rare. Roundhouse makes short Overton passenger cars that are still in production and would do nicely.

A 2-6-0, especially an older-styled one, would work fine on a 4x6–18" radius curves are enough for such an engine, and a small one would even handle 15", I reckon. You might consider a 4-4-0, as that type is the sort of engine most associated with 19th century early Old West railroading, and would handle 15" curves with aplomb. It would also be more appropriate than an 0-4-0 or 0-6-0, as those were used as yard switchers (shunters) rather than road engines, and it would be unlikely to be seen out on the prairie at remote stations…

John:

I had two ideas which might help you. The first is a website to a California ghost town: www.thelizards.com/bodie/ the site has a dozen or so elevation photos of period buildings as well as a plat map and short history. Also there is a link to other ghost towns around the Southwest of the US. Second, I suggest you join and post questions on the Yahoo group “Earlyrail”, it is dedicated to prototype information and modeling of US railroads prior to the turn of the 20th Century. I’ve found it useful and think you will as well.

Good Luck

Randy

Randy

J

Hi jetrock
The aim at this point in time is a credable believable looks right ect freelance line.
if i get a result I am hapy with the line will move from the house. to a propper railway
building area built for the line and it will then be extended a lttle bit at a time so that at no time is there 0
train operating posabilaties.
The reason the G&D cars where of interest I could go and buy a train in a box
passanger and freight with matching name throughout Saw a nice set of 4 round house freight cars
with caboose but could not find matching passanger cars or vice versa
regards John
regards John

“Building the Jerome & Southwestern - A Railroad With Personality” - by John Olson, pub. by Kalmbach. Out of print I think.
I do recomend you wire Kalmbach & order back issues of Model Railroader as follows:
“Building the Cactus Valley RR”: Dec. '98, Jan. '99, and Feb. '99 - by Dave Frarey
Similar school of thought and scenery. I am using these scenery techniques.
“Building the HO Rock Ridge Central”: Jan. '02, Feb. '02, & Mar. '02.
Similar scenic tech., and MR staff worked for a Old-West theme.

You have access to this forum on their website - so go to their “store”.

I’d go ahead and put indians in the hills, but I personaly know some. They prefer a peace-loving existance. Excelent w/ livestock. Traditionaly, excelent w/ horses. Some historical photos show them riding on top of the boxcars of the Central Pacific. This came about from a RoW agreement.

I think Roundhouse (MDC) still has cars in the G&D livery. These are premium priced because G&D is trademarked from J. Allen’s estate, and the procedes are used to fuel scolarships or something - photography I think. I have a 'reefer in thesse marks, & like it.

Pasenger Cars: Walthers Catalog for Con-Cor, (small, truss rod cars), Roundhouse/MDC in both “Overton” (30’) and in 50’. I have a baggage, combine, sleeper, coach, and office in the latter. (coach & office still not assembled!) Kits are very simple and always cause comment at public meets. Riverossi also has groups of Old-timer stock - a packaged set of a baggage, combine, and coach.

For loco, while the little Mogul (2-6-0) and Consolidation (2-8-0) from MDC are distinctly “old timer”, I still recomend some of the “American Standard” (4-4-0) as we call them here in US of A (Canada too, I think) I heartly recomend the Riverossi machines. Bachman has a couple too. (you can judge the quality of the latter for yourself - I don’t run them.)

I think Life-Like has taken over the

If you’re hoping to create a believable freelance line, take a look for sets other than the comparatively rare G&D set. There were quite a few lines that ran in the American West that are readily available–Central Pacific, Southern Pacific, D&RGW, AT&SF, etcetera–that should be easy to find in model form.

Also, it is fairly common practice for American railroads to exchange freight cars between lines–so a freight train would, most likely, NOT contain cars all from one railroad.

Hi jetrock
Thanks I wasn’t sure if cars did exchange given the size of the US.
I ordered a four pack yesterday of oldtime freight cars which included the red Caboose
that every body I know thinks all US roads have.
Was really P###### at Roundhouse they Had a set of 2 G&D passanger cars that
I could have ordered only on line if I wanted the delivery sent too other than my post office box in other words LOST I figured those two sets would do for the rolling stock requirements untill I got a good grip on what I was up too
Just have to sort a locomotive now and two passanger cars that don’t have real ralroad names on them
regards John

Try ebay

Hi
We have a bit of progress.
The first train is now just a case of wait for it too arrive it wil be the previously mentioned forur pack and a Riverossi 2-4-0.
The timber is laying on the floor out the way to see what it does over the next couple of weeks in the way of twisting or bowing.
Found a salloon in HO on the fidlers greeen paper model site this has been put to gether to get an idea of what it looks like while I wait for propper modeling wood too arrive the paper one will be a temptate to build one out of wood. being a small structuer should not take long to build just forever to get the detail bits.
Have Emailed Klamback books to see what they have to match my requirements.
all the book titles have changed from what I remember and there is a lot more of them.
The search is on for a small mine head frame to give the town a reason to be there.
and printed out all of your comments for future referance.
greatfull thanks to all
Will check back from time to time to find out if anything new and helpfull as been added to the coments. will try to keep you posted as to how i am going but have no idea what to do about pictures??
regards John

The red caboose was a pretty ubiquitous thing–obviously they came in more colors than just red, but they were used all over and if any one color predominated it was red.

If you can find cars that have railroad names on them, you can always paint over them–if you’re willing to scratchbuild structures, a little painting of cars shouldn’t be too challenging.

Might I make a suggestion?

If you use On30, you can still use the HO track but you can up the scale to O and use B’mann’s cool little Porter 0-4-0’s and 0-4-2’s or the cool little gas/mechanical engine. They also have some neat ore cars and some cool passenger cars. You can up the level of detail at that scale if thats your thing.

If you want to stay at HO then I suggest Woodland Scenics really cool series of white metal buildings most are under 2 inches square and are well detailed and look really good in a “small town” setting.

The problem is that Porter 0-4-0’s and 0-4-2’s were typically NOT used for trips out into the kind of country he wants to model(it sounds like a “high desert” environment is what John Busby is shooting for, rather than northwestern or far-west or western plains type terrain.) Heck, they normally weren’t used for things like passenger runs at all–they were mostly industrial locomotives, for use on logging lines, industrial facilities, dockyards, etcetra. It also means that the size of his buildings will double, eating up quite a bit of that teeny 4x6 foot space.

I wonder if anyone has ever tried modeling a one-horse trolley. Would be a challenge to get the horse’s legs moving anatomically correctly.

dave vergun

The part I want to show you in this picture is rather blurry.

http:/www.railimages.com/albums/kennethanthony/aab.jpg

In the foreground left is a tiny station, model of an actual prototype station on the Santa Fe at Oil City Junction, California. Depot was about 12 x 15 feet. Excuse me, I should say IS instead of “was”. To my knowledge, the station building still exists at the orange Empire railroad museum in Perris, California.

Scale drawings of the station were printed in Santa Fe Modeler, July-August 1980 p.18
and reprinted in Santa Fe Modeler, September-October 1986 p.15

Kenneth L. Anthony, Santa Vaca & Santa Fe Rwy.

Actually, on quite a few narrow guage lines the little porters were used for everything from frieght to passenger runs, and they quite often did run out into the landscape, the Arizona Copper Company line was a good example of a 20 inch gauge using 0-4-0 and 0-4-4 Portersrunning out in the open desert, it was featured in the last issue of Finescale Railroader. the Finger Lakes RR in Minnesota used 0-4-0 Porters to haul passenger cars between two ferry terminals and resorts. There are many examples out there.

At 4 x 6 an On30 would be good for an detail-packed “one horse town” layout, I guess it depends on what your ultimate goal is…if its the town itself, then On30 would allow for superdetailing the buildings and interiors, If its the town as object in the vast landscape sort of idea, then HO would be better. I guess I’m just not quite picturing John’s overall vision yet.

If its HO John check out those Woodland Scenics buildings. I used several on my old micro 12" x 24" HOn30 layout before the Northridge Quake did a major remodeling of it. BTW it was called the Furnace Creek, Ketchum, & Union Pacific or the FCK UP!

Hoorah!

Carl Arendt’s micro layouts website is alive again! its new address is:

http://carendt.us

Hi
just a bit of an update and a question
rolling stock now consists of 7 freight cars including 2 cabooses
and 2 passanger cars.
1 2-4-0 locomotive
all old timers does any one know of a manufacturer of a box cab diesle locomotive…
A mock up of the saloon has been made.
Layout planning propper has started I want to get the most I can out of a 6’ x 4’ space I can any sugestions in that regard would be helpfull.
regards John

Hi John,

MDC does one, several roads,RTR or kit, powered and unpowered also as track cleaner,
it is in the Walthers catalogue;

Grandt Line Products Inc also has a model, no pics available

hope it helps

John,
The Grandt Line HO loco is pictured at their Web site. Here’s the link:
http://www.grandtline.com/model_railroad/rolling_stock_and_locos.htm
Good luck.
Bob
NMRA Life 0543