I am working on the Walthers New River Mining Company kit and I have been unable to figure out where exactly parts #46 x 8 should be installed? I don’t see them on the reference photo supplied with the kit.
Thanks for assistance.
I do believe they go on the tops of each leg, up under the building, as braces. The square filled angle is the one that goes against the leg, with the opposite side of the triangle against the underside of the floor. Mine’s (ha!) unbuilt but packed away and unreachable to look at.
Looks like you left off the outrigger leg on the right where there’s a big overhang, since there are 4 legs and 4 braces (part 46) per side.
–Randy
Good catch on the missing outrigger leg! I’m still having trouble envisioning the geometry of how the triangular braces are supposed to mount.
The part of it to the left, on the sprue, goes against the leg, with the side to the right on the sprue, up under the floor above.
The picture on the instructions isn;t detailed enough to show that one corner of the triangle is not like the others and has that squre, representing a gusset plate, on it.
Kind of like - the arms up in the air from those stupid air inflated things car dealers set out.
–Randy
That my thought as well, BUT, I have never built the kit.
And, for whatever reason, the photo of the “completed” structure on Walthers web site doesn’t show those peices installed, where we think they go. [%-)]
I did notice the missing supports on the right.
Mike.
They may not put them on because they may not clear a taller locomotive running under the loading area. Especially if the track is raised on roadbed.
So you might want to check when you plan to run under there before installing them. If just shoving open hoppers in to ‘load’, there shouldn’t be a problem. If you sexpect the locos to pull a string of cars under there, you might want to measure the clearance.
–Randy
This leads me to believe you are implying these braces would be mounted perpendicular to the track direction. It seems to me that in that configuration there would be SIX of these braces on each end of the building’s three track loading lanes? But there are only 8 of these braces supplied with the kit.
I don’t have the kit either but from a review of the drawing, it seems clear that Randy is correct. There are four legs on each side of the raised structure, so eight braces would be needed. If you look closely at the drawing, the two braces on the right clearly go flat up against the underside of the raised structure, per the dotted lines. The two braces on the left also go flat up against the underside of the raised structure, but the dotted lines are less clear - - - but they are there.
Rich
On the instructon sheet, the only place it shows the attachment lines correct are for the two to the right - the dotted line becomes a solid line leading to the attachment point.
The way the sprue is sitting in that photo (assuming it isn’t displaying here flipped or any silly thing that happens occasionally), you would turn one of them 90 degreed counter clockwise, and then it goes to the leg in that orientation. Like a Y (with the vertical part of the leg continuing up). The leg is the vertical leg of the Y, these braces are the arms.
–Randy
I just did some Googling around, looking at images. Some have those braces on, some don’t.
You would think that those braces would be shown on page 2 of the instructions, that shows the “under” view of that loading area, but they are not.
If you cut one of the braces in half, using each half on the side columns, and the full braces on the center columns, you could get by with a total of 6 pieces, but Walthers gives you 8, so you can trim part of the brace off that go on the side columns.
I think I’d just leave them off. They seam to be an “option”. The picture of their N scale kit shows the braces in place, the picture of the HO scale kit omits them.
Your call if you want them on there or not.
Mike.
Onewolf if you look at the drawing the out side ones get cut in half see the dashed lines and the vertical iine on them
they all go up against the face of the uprights under the front edge of the building
I’ve built two of these took me a bit to get it but they do help brace the uprights from moving side to side
Even Ikea does a better job of assembly directions huh!?
I bought the New River Mine because it copies a real mine on the D&RGW craig branch and at the time I was looking for a mine kit that had the right look for Rio Grande. How lucky am I?
I’m not modeling the Craig branch but it also approimates a lot of mines in the region so I’ll be protolancing it for a location west of Grand Junction.
Nice job!
Oh, btw, what brackets do you recommend to support a 2 foot wide yard? I will be needing some to screw into the studs to support it above the staging yard. Might add some long threaded rods for additional support along the outer edge too.
I wonder if they were added in later revisions of the kit. My kit was built in the late '90s and there were no braces included for the legs:
Now 'ya got me scratching my noggin. I’ll have to dig out the original instructions and see if that detail is there. Walthers re-tooled some stuff and also changed some things when they moved the production to China. I believe my kit was made in Denmark.
The Diamond Coal mine was a later kit. Walthers has been known to share parts between kits. The braces clearly show on their artwork here:
Perhaps when they tooled Diamond they decided to use some of the parts to “upgrade” New River?
Good Luck, Ed
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It’s Wacky Inflatable Flailing Arm Tube Man!
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I don’t know why you would mention Ikea as the “does a better job” example. Ikea instructions are the best.
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Ikea will insert a 32 page instruction book just to be sure that every step is easy to understand.
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Have you had trouble figuring out Ikea instructions? I do not know anyone else who has.
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-Kevin
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It’s been made clear where the parts go, it’s up to the OP if he wants to put them in.
Remember what Randy said, they may be in the way of bigger switch engines.
The directions do suck, they should show them on page 2, the underside of the loading area.
Mike.
I just went down and checked ran a GP9 under it had plenty of room no problem at all
I just downloaded the “instructions” from the Walthers web site. Actually, there are no instructions, just the graphics. [:(]
Rich
That’s the way the instructions are for the Diamond Mine:
Diamond_coal by Edmund, on Flickr
Note that the single braces don’t have to be cut from a double on this particular, later-run model.
Diamond-brace by Edmund, on Flickr
Diamond-brace2 by Edmund, on Flickr
Good Luck, Ed
All these variations for one small part. Coal mine? Diamond Mine? Geez.
I’m pretty sure the OP has his answer. Ed’s picture of the diamond mine shows exactly where the parts go.
I wonder if the “coal” mine has the 1/2 sections? Good grief Walthers.
Mike.
I believe the Diamond Mine kit came later, and represents an improvement. The coal mine kit does not have the half pieces, you have to cut them yourself.
–Randy