Rail Car Ferries

From Old Tyme Trains.

Now I often wondered what they did before the International Bridge was built. Black Rock would be the logical choice as it was closest to Buffalo and the mighty Niagara River has yet to start its rap in descent and then over the falls. ( Fixed this as I was in error) the

This would have been a sight to behold.

Rail Car Ferries

B&LH International at Black Rock, NY dock.

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Canadian Government Railways PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND to/from PEI 1915. Also, CNR car ferry (no name) 1944.

Canadian Northern Steamship Company CANORA to/from Vancouver Island

Canadian National PEI service. MV Abe

Genesee Dock

http://photo.libraryweb.org/rochimag/rmsc/scm02/scm02851.jpg

Post by Brian Hotchkiss

“Turning Point Park - Trestle at the Genesee Dock along the lower Genesee River. Here, the Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh Railway trains loaded their coal cars onto ferries for delivery to the Canadian National Railroad in Cobourg, Ontario, Canada. Established in 1905, this Ontario Car Ferry operated for nearly fifty years”

Better angle:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ottomatic77/2544728173

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychaos/maps/Genesee-Docks.html

The dock looked like a roller coaster!

Looks like a great place to take a picnic lunch and just watch the rail and river traffic! [:D]

So THAT’S where all those spare Aerotrain noses went to!

Car ferrys, or more properly car floats, were once a common sight in the New York harbor area. Most railroads in the area had their own tugboat fleets that barged freight cars across the Hudson River to various points in the NYC area.

Some of it’s still done today, but just a miniscule fraction of what it was.

As a matter of fact, here’s some video of the last New York car float operation, the New York and New Jersey car float, operated by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWTXrpgYO4Y

And that’s one zoomie-lookin’ switcher! I wonder what its top speed was? Warp Factor One? Two? Possibly Three?

That quote from Olde Tyme Trains is incorrect. The Niagara by Black Rock hadn’t “calmed down”. It was just getting started. It ran from Lake Erie to Lake Ontario.

Yes yes thats my error, not old time trains. Fort Erie/Buffalo is upstream from the falls.

Interesting to see the tradition of Railcar ferry “preserved” in the New York City! Thank you for sharing the video, Firelock76!

According to Wiki, only four GMD GMDH-1 were produced. Power output was 600hp for the first two engines. I guess the top speed is around 50mph but should be capable for higher speed by using different gears. I think it could be an alternate option of motorcar and railbus, hauling short commuter trains. [:)]

http://www.mountainrailway.com/Demonstrators%20Page.htm

Cute little engine.

A commuter train pulled by one of those things wouldn’t be just transportation, it would be a ride!

A good discussion on this ensued on the Quiz a while back



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A B&O bus making a Station Stop before heading to the ferry for train time.

And on the freight side

Oops… half cut off …well if you go to July 23, 2017 Classic Quiz you will be there.

… Great photos Balt!!! Wow

Firelock76 - haha, glad to know I am not the only one who likes those mini diesel engines! If the first two GMD GMDH-1 (600hp) Double-headed, they would be as “powerful” as the GM AeroTrain (or 10kw more powerful) [:P]

BaltACD - If I am a B&O fan, I didn’t have to complain about Corporate Image like how I criticized PRR’s trains. From the engines to the consists or their named trains, from their boats to their well-decorated bus, their fleet looked clean and the liveries were consistent. Thank you for sharing those rare pictures!

http://gallery.bustalk.info/displayimage.php?album=640&pos=0

For those who don’t know, those B&O buses picked up passengers from various points in lower Manhattan, then traveled across the Hudson River by Jersey Central RR ferries to the Jersey City terminal of the Jersey Central Railroad. The B&O used to run passenger trains to the same. AND there was a bus turntable at the terminal to make the return trip easier for the driver! That ended in 1958 when the B&O ceased passenger operations north of Philadelphia.

Seems like a great deal, a bus ride, a ferry ride, then a train ride!

All for the price of one train ticket!

There was a bit more to the operation than this. Interestingly enough, the first reference to this service I remember reading (I think in one of the Beebe books) said the buses used one of the tunnels (I remember it saying Lincoln, but Holland would make more sense) and it was only much later that I found out about the ferries to Liberty Street. We had a thread on this, with some Mike MacDonald content, in 2014:

http://cs.trains.com/ctr/f/3/t/230410.aspx

An interesting point came up a couple of years ago. The bus facilities within the Jersey City terminal were accessible to private cars! If you made a phone call to a special number listed in the timetable, you could reserve a spot on the same ferry as the official bus, and after it was turned around and had left, you could drive right up to your car’s vestibule to let someone off to get on the train (or, presumably, pull up to the baggage car to unload luggage from the trunk). Now, that’s a feature PRR would find very, very hard to match…

The principal terminal was in perhaps the most notable of surviving New York Art Deco buildings, the Chanin building, with a loop so the bus could quickly turn around without negotiating much traffic. Other stops included 9th St. (at what was then Wanamaker’s) and the Hotel Vanderbilt.

There was also a terminal at Columbus Circle, originally using the 23rd St. ferry and 8th Av, stopping along the way at the New Yorker and the Lincoln;

another at Rockefeller Center (on a route that used the then-glorious West Side Highway), stopping at the Taft and Victoria;

34th St. (pointedly not mentioning you-know-what) via 7th Av., stopping at the Governor Clinton, Pennsylvania (of 6-5000 fame), McAlpin, and Vanderbilt;

and Brooklyn, first to a loop near Boro Hall and the St. George, later to the Eagle Building.

I do not know if the bus driver would stop to let passengers out at intermediate points.

Hey, I lucked out! I went looking for some You Tube video of the CNJ terminal and found a four minute video. Pre and post-war shots, with the B&O buses and trains included.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rj1VTVkfcw

Sadly, except for the terminal building itself, nothing of what you see in the film exists anymore. The building survives as a centerpiece of Liberty State Park with the Bush trainsheds intact.

Maybe that EA diesel if it’s #51, and one of the post-war B&O buses is still around in private ownership, but that’s all.

Wow! What the deuce happened that it’s all gone? Nuclear war? Invaders from space? General Motors?

Not a bad supposition Miningman, but it’s a bit more mundane than that.

When the CNJ was absorbed into Conrail all that terminal area trackage, plus the Communipaw engine shops, hell, just about everything east of the CNJ Newark Bay drawbridge was un-needed by the new railroad, so it all disappeared.

Including the Newark Bay drawbridge, but the Port Authority wanted that gone for years anyway. Conrail was happy to oblige. Sic transit gloria mundi…

Strange you should mention that. In the early 1970s we ‘rediscovered’ the abandoned Jersey City terminal, and it was exactly like one of those postnuclear-holocaust sets: office desks left with papers on them or knocked around, as if with no advance warning; the Bush trainsheds with luxurious vegetation growing up where trains should be. In those days you could easily get up the tower stairs, where from blackness you were suddenly treated to a brilliant view across Lower Manhattan with the distance across the river seemly compressed as in a telephoto lens. (Getting to the terminal also produced the unusual appearance at some points that you could drive on flat streets all the way to Lower Manhattan; there were no port facilities or buildings at the waterfront to signal the eye…)

I can picture all of that scene. Among the most expensive real estate in the world and you can get an unobstructed view of Lower Manhatten from abandoned buildings. Quite the contrast or contradiction.

So did closing this all down improve commuter and rail services of other kinds, especially passenger trains or is it sorely missed?