Santa Fe PA Locomotives

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daveklepper
The GE traction motors in the DC days were less likely to roast than EMD’s.

You can say that with a straight face, knowing what happened the first time the DL109s went over Raton?

Street car motors. (I remove some other verbiage since this is nominally a family forum)

Later, yes, I think a 752 was superior to one of EMD’s. But still not up to Hexapole grade…

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Although the DL109’s did give good service through WWII, and some lasted up and even through MsGinnis, I was referring to the PA’s, not the DL109, in comparison to EMD.
DL109’s and PA’s handled thru freight on the Shoreline, but FA’s were used to Maybrook.

What was the purpose of the ‘plate with a hat’ immediately adjacent to the horns on virtually all the ATSF PA pictures?

Antenna with ground plane?

Yep. Added sometime in the late 50’s to early 60’s.

Imagine what those units sitting on the deadline would be worth today…in the same condition.

As previously requested, here are a few more photos of the Santa Fe PAs that were repatriated back to “home turf” on the Delaware & Hudson to operate as Bluebonnets:

A-A-A near Afton NY…

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A-A-A at Lanesboro PA…

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A-A-A at Ninevah NY…

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Winter in what looks to be perhaps Montreal…

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At Albany with a Pennsylvania express box car on the drawbar…

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A-A-A-A on freight - in the tradition of ALCO FEFs utilized in dual use on the UP…

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Or an ALCO D&H 4-8-4 K-62…

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PA on freight nearby on the New Haven…

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A-A PAs on freight on the Lehigh Valley…

PA’s in freight service is not that unusual. I don’t believe that I ever saw Erie/EL PA’s in passenger service.

In the last few years of EL’s PAs the ones in the Chicago area were assigned to the Chicago-Marion (OH) freight pool. There are several photos from that era of “borrowed” PAs being used on the Lake Cities as substitute power for the usual E8s. I don’t think EL regeared them for freight service. They were hardly ever mixed with other power in an era when EL “lash-ups” could contain just about anything, even pool CRI&P power.

What’s the restoration status on the Mexican repatriots (except the NKP one)?

Erie Lackawanna A-A PAs bringin’ home the bacon on TOFC - foreshadowing the future on BNSF with ES44C4 units…

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At Kent OH on TOFC…

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Erie Lackawanna A-A-A on freight…

A-A-B on the plains…

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PA1s and F7s somewhere in California…

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A-B adjacent to freight units (FTs?)…

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Those are probably F3’s or F7’s. FT’s as built did not have the Farr filter grilles.

26L is a passenger F3. For non-AT&SF folks, AT&SF gave the same number to four unit sets, with cabs L (lead) and C, and boosters A and B. Somewhere out there (maybe on the other end of the F-unit string) was another F3 - 26C.

This is just a new obs on this subject. I’ve enjoyed all the photos but have not

seen any pics or heard any talk of the 51 set being re-engined by EMD. A fate

worse than scraping?

Here’s one of 51LAC for you … from a previous thread in this forum:

The blister is not quite so pronounced on the PA as it was on the earlier Alco passenger carbody - here’s Rock Island “Christine”

51L (the ‘lead’ cab of a nominally 6000-hp locomotive, with 51C being the ‘rear’ cab and 51A being a B unit … what? you expect semantic consistency?) was notable for being Alco construction number 75,000. The semantics gets worse: the rear cab (c/n 75002) was originally numbered 51B and was changed to 51C apparently in 2/55 at the time of re-engining.

RI 621 was the last DL109 in active service, being retired around 1968.

pcapell wrote the following post 3 days ago:

What’s the restoration status on the Mexican repatriots (except the NKP one)?

The status of the remaining single PA in the USA is covered in the current Trains magazine. Not much has been done to it but it has trucks now -it came back without them.(edited)

Peter

Remaining single PA? You mean Doyle’s no longer counts?

Of course, they’re the wrong trucks – visibly the wrong trucks – but you won’t hear me complaining about it if the locomotive operates.

I wish them luck on the one being worked on in Texas. [:)]

I was replying to a previous post but must have been distracted at the time and didn’t copy the post into my reply. I’ve edited my response to clarify this…

Peter

Original ALCO PA six-wheel trucks are impossible to find, so I’ve been told, so both Doyle and the folks in Texas are doing the best they can.

And as RME says, if they get them running again, who cares?