So many lines in Chicago who know?

There are a few, Chuck. Most did not make a lot of money.

David

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this is great learning about railroad in other countries.thank you

Chuck

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Here’s a view of the Late, Great Pennsylvania Railroad main line in Gary, Indiana.

Conrail - Gary, IN by d.w.davidson, on Flickr

Oh, how the mighty have fallen!

Ed

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That’s what really bothers me about all of the fallen flags. So much history, but nothing left to share. It’s such a hard fall. :disappointed_relieved:

Rich

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Many other major lines to the city not beginning with Chicago, such as PRR NYC IC Wabash Erie AT&SF MC.

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Oh, I don’t know Rich. There are some surprises out there waiting to be discovered. Just yesterday (I think :face_with_raised_eyebrow::wink:) I came across this photo while we were talking about the Big Four:

This is former Big Four trackage still in use until 2023 but without much fanfare. I’m sure there are many quiet reminders out there :wink:

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The history for fallen flags is still there - a lot of it has been written and published in low volume obscure books. The problem with history is that those that lived it are dying every day. Until it gets to the point that no one involved is still breathing. Civil War vets are all gone, Spanish-American War vets are all gone. WW I vets are all gone. WW 2 vets are getting smaller in number every day. Korean, Viet Nam, Desert Storm and Iraq/Afghanistan are relatively plentiful but they are decreasing daily.

Railroad Fallen Flag vets are also diminishing as the Fallen Flags are 40 years and more in the rear view mirror.

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I love that switcher. Great colors! Thanks for posting.

Rich

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I lived near Gary as a kid, between the tracks the Penn diesels rode and the Nickel Plate tracks still pounded by Berkshires up to 1958. It was a wonderful time to be a kid who loved trains.

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Welcome on board, FlexEMD.

David

Amen to that.

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Welcome to forum FlexEMD

Chcuk

Welcome aboard the chat train FlexEMD! :steam_locomotive:

“Pullman built a whole community on the southeast side for his workers.” Rich

Yes, he did. But it was an awful place and his workers by 1894 hated him and his company town. In testimony to Congress one worker said, “…we live in a Pullman house, we go to the Pullman school, buy from the Pullman store, go to the Pullman church, and when we die we shall go to the Pullman Hell.”

Another worker testified that for two weeks work, after all his deductions (rent, store credit, etc.) he was left with 9 cents. That’s what life in a company town, and particularly this company town, was actually like for workers. Pullman made virtual slaves of his employees; let’s not forget that or sugarcoat it.

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My statement which you quoted . . .

“Pullman built a whole community on the southeast side for his workers“

. . . Is hardly sugar coating anything.

It is a simple statement of fact.

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You’re quite right. It was clumsy of me to have made it seem that way because I know that wasn’t your attitude. My apologies.

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No worries. I just didn’t want to leave an impression that I thought George Pullman was a great guy. In fact, I agree with your assessment of the man.

He is possibly the most complex industrialist of the 19th century. He was both a robber baron and a captain of industry. He did build a residential community for his workers. It became the model for industrial communities that followed.

But he laid off and fired workers at will. He slashed workers wages. Yet he didn’t cut rents on displaced workers residences. He was a union buster.

Ironically, Pullman is celebrated by the present day Pullman community. The community restored the main Pullman building. The homes that he built for his workers still stand occupied today.

Rich

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Wow. This side of the pond, Pullman appears to be a great company.

It reminds me of the following -------

David

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Today, the Pullman Company no longer exists. Operations ceased and all leases were terminated at the end of 1968. At the beginning of 1969, the Pullman Company was dissolved and all assets were liquidated.

Pullman always leased the cars that it manufactured to the railroads. An auction of all Pullman remaining assets was held at the Pullman plant in Chicago in 1970. The company remained in place until 1982 to close out all remaining liabilities and claims.

Rich

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It’s an all too common story in America. Famous names of (mostly) men of the 19th and 20th centuries who are revered by the public are also some of history’s least deserving of acclaim. Men like Edison were more adept at exploiting other’s accomplishments and intellect than they were at giving them credit. Ford bought a newspaper so he could spread anti semitic hate and he did it so well that he got a medal from Hitler. Charles Lindbergh and Coco Chanel were early supporters of the Nazi movement as well.

Most of those who have studied anything about Appalachian culture know about the company towns there. But many, like me, never heard anything about the Pullman situation. I’d like to hear more!

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