Hey guys - and gals. I’m trying to find some info and period photos of a Southern Pacific 2-8-0 Consolidation of the 1920s or 30s that I would like to use as a guide to model one by. If someone out there might be able to point me in the right direction, share photos and info or give me any advice, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.
Tracklayer
Here’s a few…(some are better then others)
http://www.sunnyfortuna.com/railroad/images/2006/0607.jpg
http://www.toltecimages.com/trains/later%20images/0718.jpg
http://www.toltecimages.com/trains/2786.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/55/300px-OP-15835.jpg
Thanks pcarrell. That helps a lot.
Tracklayer
No problem!
I found some more…
http://64.246.11.82/images/images2/r/rail_museum.jpg.88045.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-s347afm.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-s2562ava.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-s2563ac.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-s2579ac.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-s2579.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-s2724.jpg
Some of these are pretty good!
I found this pic too. I don’t know the wheel arrangement, but it’s a cool pic!
Looks to me like it’s a 2-10-2 of SP class F-3 or F-4.
Andre
There are 1146 hits for “Southern Pacific” on the Denver Public Library photo website:
The eight photo in the search routine shows a T&NO 2-8-0 circa 1939.
The DPL owns the Otto Perry photo collection, which includes THOUSANDS of railroad images from across the USA and Canada. It’s a better RR photo site than any of the previously mentioned sites, at least for pre-1970 photographs.
That is a good one orsonroy!
That shot is clipped from a larger image published in Tom Dill’s “Southern Pacific’s Colorful Shasta Route” from Four Ways West. The photo was by Charles Givens, at Hilt, CA (on the Siskiyou Line, very close to the northern border of California), in August, 1953. As AndreChapelon suggests, it is an SP “Deck” (SP term for a 2-10-2)–standard power on the Siskiyou Line, though in one of steam’s last duties (Hilt Logger) on that line by 1953. As to the original post on this thread seeking info on 1920’s and 30’s SP Consolidations, a couple of key items will leap out: SP lettering on the tender changed from “Southern Pacific Lines” to a simpler, but usually larger “Southern Pacific” in 1946. Second, the aluminum smokebox doors became a system standard with that 1946 lettering change. Prior to that, it had been experimented with on a Division or two, but most smokeboxes bore basic graphite. Headlight type is another likely change from the 20’s to the bulk of post-WWII photos. I’m going to guess that Tracklayer may be aiming at Texas Lines locos (SE Texas). If so, expect a few differences, even though still part of the big SP. A lot of SP photos tend to be from the West Coast (Pacific Lines), including the Arey photos from the early part of the 20th Century. T&NO materials and photos have slowly emerged into publication, but expect a challenge. The DPL collection may prove useful. So, too, might the DeGolyer (Dallas?) prove a useful source. Good Luck!
Links to some photos at the Denver Public Library.
These were taken by Otto Perry
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015550+OP-15550
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015549+OP-15549
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015537+OP-15537
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015608+OP-15608
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015614+OP-15614
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015615+OP-15615
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015558+OP-15558
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015558+OP-15558
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015552+OP-15552
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015540+OP-15540
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015551+OP-15551
http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015548+OP-15548
You could probably use the MDC old time 2-8-0 to do this: http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015522+OP-15522
or this: http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00015521+OP-15521
This is a 4-8-0 (TW-8) , but it’
Even though I’ve provided links to several 2-8-0 photos, I forgot to ask the obvious question,
Which class/classes of 2-8-0? The SP had a lot of 'em.
Also, do you want T&NO engines or those from west of El Paso?
As for what can be done with an MDC old time 2-8-0, check out;
http://markschutzer.com/Old_Time_Consolidation/Old_Timer_Consolidation_page1.htm and follow the story.
Andre
I have been planning to use the article that Andre references to modify my MDC Oldtimer for some time now. I have had correspondence with the author of this article and learned that it is included in Guy Dunsomb’s book A Century of Southern Pacific Steam which is a great reference book but to my knowledge is out of print. The photo was taken about 1915 in Timber Oregon. However, SP did not scrap it until 1927 and would therefore, fit Tracklayer’s criteria. I am interested in this locomotive because I model SP between Weed CA. And Klamath Falls OR. in 1910 and it had an interesting history: Baldwin no.11478, believed to be built in 1891 and after several owners became Weed Lumber Company no. 3, in 1903, sold to California & Northeastern as no. 3 ( A subsidiary) of SP) and became SP 2nd no 2500 class C-6 in 1910. Peter Smith, Memphis
Seems to me I drive by one of these every day on my way home from work. So much so that now that I am thinking about it I am wondering if it is a 2-6-0 or 2-8-0. This is what happens to your brain at the end of the day. Will have to pay more attention tomorrow. Location; Pioneer Park, Mesa, AZ. Check with the Arizona Railway Museum’s listing. It may be on their registry.
I’m not really sure what the class would be, but it’s what ever the Spectrum 2-8-0’s are.
I think what I’m going to do is buy a good used Spectrum 2-8-0, renumber and detail it, then graft on a Vanderbilt tender off of a Model Power Southern Pacific 4-6-2 Pacific. I figure that’s about as close as I’m ever going to get to what I want.
Thanks guys.
Tracklayer
The closest SP classes to the Spectrum loco are the C-26 and the C-28/C-29 classes.
Andre
I would agree with Andre based on the “photos in Dunscomb’s book " A Century Of Southern Pacific Steam.” There were 20 C-28’s built by Schenectady in 1907 numbered 3450-3469. They came to the SP in 1924 and between 1926 and 1929 were transferred to the SPdeM. They were returned to SP between 1939 and 1942…" The only difference of note that I can observe is that the C-26, 28/29 ( along with most other SP 2-8-0’s) have the bell between the steam and sand dome and the Bachmann model has the bell ahead of the dome. The November 1999 issue of MR (Pg. 78) has an interesting article on stripping a Bachmann 2-8-0 including removal and relocation of the domes. Note: I have recently purchased a new Bachmann 2-8-0 and had some trouble with the drive train which started to make strange sounds after about an hour of operation. I did not take it apart for inspection but, sent it back to Bachmann and they replaced it with a new one immediately. I have three other Bachmann ( Spectrum) steam locomotives that have had no problems to date and the Spectrum models still remain my loco of first choice. Peter Smith, Memphis
I think what I’m going to do is buy a good used Spectrum 2-8-0, renumber and detail it, then graft on a Vanderbilt tender off of a Model Power Southern Pacific 4-6-2 Pacific. I figure that’s about as close as I’m ever going to get to what I want.
You don’t necessarily have to use a Vanderbilt tender. Many of the tenders that came with the locos included in the purchase by SP of the El Paso&Sourthwestern in 1924 bore a considerable resemblance to the USRA 10,000 gallon tender as used on the Spectrum 2-8-0. All you’d really need to do is conver the tender from coal to oil like this guy did in HO (about 1/3 way down page): http://home.earthlink.net/~bowdidge/dcc.html
Here’s a link to an N scale Santa Fe version with to tender modified for oil. http://www.atsfrr.com/resources/2507%20Cl/Side.htm
Andre