SOUTHERN RAILWAY Paint Scheme

Southern Railway has always used attractive paint schemes but I’m confused on one.

During the 70s (I think) I remember seeing pictures of modern, Southern Railway locomotives in both the Green and White scheme and the Black and White scheme.

(Was it black or a very dark green? I think railfans nicknamed it the “Tuxedo Scheme”).

Which scheme replaced which?

Or were they used simultaneously on certain locomotives. I noticed the the E units only had the Green and White.

Since I’m modeling SCL in the late 60s-early 70s, I thought that it would be appropriate to have a couple of Southern units also as both railroads locomotives could be found on each other’s lines from time to time.

I especially like how those high nosed EMDs looked in the Tuxedo scheme.

Thanks!

Antonio,

Sorry I can’t give you any input. You might try posting this over on the ‘Prototype information for the modeler’ forum also? Just a suggestion…

Tom

Antonio, Did you try the “Historical Societies” link on this forum? It will take you right to Southern Railway.

All I know is that is was black or green. And Southern green was green, there was no mistaking it for black.

Try www.sourwy.railfan.net It’s a Southern
Railway modeling site.

Yeah, I’ve gotten alot of info out of that site.

Short answer is that the “Tuxedo” paint scheme uses what they call “Tuxedo Black”. It is not a dark green, it is pure black.

There were also green GP7/9s and Alco RSes, and they also brought it back for a few GP60s. Unless I’m mistaken, the black scheme (with some minor detail differences) has been the main scheme from dieselization to NS. I don’t believe that the green scheme was intended to replace the black scheme altogether.

—jps

Srr diesel scheme was originally green and white. It stayed this way until delivery of the SD-24’s which were delivered in the new tuxedo scheme. During the 1960’s, all locomotives were re-painted into the tux as they went through major overhauls. Of course not all locos could be repainted all at once so this process took several years. So you could still see Srr locos in green up to at least 1964-65. Their locos all stayed in the tuxedo, including the passenger E units, until Claytor repainted the E-8’s back into the green and white for the revitalized Crescent Limited. The E-8’s stayed green until Srr gave the Crescent to Amtrack in 1979.

An update, www.sourwy.railfan.net is being upgraded so I thought I’d let you know before going there.

Norfolk Southern operates a GP59 in the Southern Green and White scheme. It’s a beautiful machine.

I stand corrected about the green being the main paint scheme. But if I remember correctly, there was a black scheme afore the green scheme.

—jps

The ‘green’ paint scheme came first. Early F’s GP’s and RS’s were delivered in the green paint scheme. It was replaced by the ‘Tuxedo’ black scheme in the 50’s. . In the 1970’s Southern changed the passenger engines back to the green paint scheme. Also a ‘special’ engine(that GP59) was done in Southern green.

Jim

Will this site help?

http://southern-railway.railfan.net/sry/

This is a brief summary of Southern Diesel paint schemes:

1940s-1949 EMD F units in Black/Imitation Aluminum with Gold separator stripe running beneath lower side step, Passenger units ( EMD E, F and Alco DL-109/110) Green/Imitation Aluminum with Gold separator stripe. The imitation Aluminum was used for an additional side band and 2/3 of the roof. Switchers (EMD and ALCO) Black with Imitation Aluminum lettering.

1949- ~1960. An order of F-7s were delivered with new simplified green/initation aluminum scheme (gold stripe runs above lower side step). All cab units, passenger and freight repainted in this scheme. Switchers and Road switchers (GPs, SDs and RS) receiver green/ imitation aluminum scheme with gold stripe running above the top of the hood doors.

~1960-1982 Tuxcedo scheme-Black/ imitation aluminum with gold separator side on all units. Nose heralds were removed but were replaced with new design beginning in early 1970s. Passenger units (E-8 and FP-7) repainted in green/ imitation aluminum with gold separator stripe in early 1970s.

Hope that this helps sort it out for you.

Guys, Brakie, RStroupe

Thanks for your valueable input!

I’ve also added the links you’ve provided to “My Favorites” as it’s great reference material.

Thanks again, everyone![:)][:D][8D][;)][8)][C):-)][tup]

i bellevie southern deisels where black scheme most any way. www.railpictures.net
is a good place to search engines.

http://ztrainman.tripod.com/

The GP59 in the green and white is the 4610. Railpictures.net has several pictures of it.

Yes, DEKEmd,

I saw the photos. It’s nice they this was done to the Geep as well as E units #6900 and 6901, which I think are in museums.

Despite its shortcomings, Southern was a railroad with class!

Antonio, try this site for excellent information on Southern paint jobs.
http://www.hosam.com/srr/srr.html

REX

Thank you Rex!

I’ve saved it to “My Favorites” folder.

Cheers.

The E units are at the North Carolina Transpostation Museum in Spencer, NC. At their last Rail Days Event, Norfolk Southern brought the 4610 and had it on display. If you think the pictures look good you should see it in person.