Yes! thank you for the pics, Miningman. Although I would call the Pacific Great Eastern #102 “Art Deco Gone Wrong”, I do interested in any size of railcar or railbus as well as those tiny steam locomotive for commute service from any part of the world. The grill remains me of people who wearing a G-string to cover the nose… I hope they are unused [:O]…or the dress Lisa Fischer weared in this music video:
[swg] Besides the Pennsy version, the following pic is another example of a “streamlined” Hall-Scott doodlebug, I believe Mr.Clark (Peter) knows the detail of it better than me. [C]
Well, you know the artist or designer who was responsible for this thing did fart like any other normal human being, so yes! Fart Deco is an appropriate and colorful word to describe the grill thing on PGE #102. Though the Urban Dictionary has another meaning of the term ‘Fart Deco’. [D]
Yes, and in many cases it is placed where it is for good ‘through’ cooling without fans. Made extra large to avoid any possibility of overheating, with sections being masked off with canvas for colder weather. This was generally not the best arrangement for extreme weather conditions!
Mind you, I think the fancy ‘door grille’ on the PGE car is tubes for a radiator; it’s about the size and placement a contemporary setup might think necessary. (In practice you’d want much more, at least at times). Looking at the amount of radiator cooling provided tells you something about the type of engine (specifically the heat rejection to coolant) and the speeds and loads expected to be handled.
I don’t know if the color picture was before or after the rebuild to “200hp” Cummins. One of our Canadians will know, though.
The first Auto-Train is probably the same general date as the first piggyback. That’s the early 1850s (not a misprint) on the LIRR. If I remember correctly, some English railroads offered almost from their beginning the option of riding in one’s own carriage, on a flatcar, instead of having to use a compartment, and I suspect that service was offered in this country, too. Mike will know or find out.
Here is Pacific Great Eastern ( what a contradictory name) Doodle bug # 107 as pictured in its original form as CNR gas -electric with its five digit number 15823.
PGE had 2 ex- Great Northern humongous Doodle bugs numbered along in sequence with our *Art Deco star. Seems they lasted a good long time.
105 acq. May 1920 (ex Morrisey, Fernie & Michel) GE 1913 gas-electric 200 HP 70 foot.
Lillooet 1945 Ken Kidder/Bud Laws Collection
Note: One of two cars ordered by Great Northern 2300, 2301 for subsidiaries Victoria & Sidney
and Crows Nest Pass Coal Co. Morrisey, Fernie & Michel.
No question from that picture that you have a decorative grille of straps (I think I can see the bolts or rivets holding them!) that mimicks the look of a contemporary automobile – I would hazard 1936 Chevy as the ‘proximate inspiration’ if anyone has the time to find a good front-end clip, perhaps from one of the Jam Handy films. Wonder if the material for the ‘bars’ is repurposed brake pipe…
That would indicate that the radiator is in the ‘open doorway’ space, just as the radiator in a car is behind the grille. I certainly don’t see any alternative arrangements on the front of the car. It may have some kind of side arrangement like that on the Motorailers or the Houston North Shore postwar railbuses.
I agree with you that the “fancy” grille thing was created to mimics the grille on a car. It is also a reasonable inference that there is a radiator behind the grille.
Those are not a pair of wings above the front wheels.[^o)]
Oh yeah, there was more involved all right. The Motive Power Superintendant of the Lackawanna at the time, Charles Scudder, was crazy about birds. Not only did that 4-4-0 get the treatment but so did a 4-6-0 and four Pacifics. As soon as he was gone in 1942 so were the wings, but apparantly they were popular with Lackawanna fans. The wings were made of stainless steel and were scrapped for the war effort.
Out of respect for the departed and steam itself I can only say I’m thinking it looked better in the real world when viewing it that it does in the photos. (Good grief, why?)
Mt first thought regarding grilles was South Australian Railways No 620…
But Mr Jones has beaten me to it…
I should point out in respect of the Rolls Royce that colloquial English usage described the front mudguards of a car as “the front wings”… so there are wings above the the front wheels. This usage dated from the 1920s or 1930s and might not be still in use, but the British motor industry is quite conservative. Some of you may be familiar with the British TV series “Minder”, with George Cole and Denis Waterman. I thought it was a comedy, but after a day at the Warley model railway show with a group of people from the “motor trade”, I realised it was a documentary.
I shall now go off topic…
Today was my last day at work.
My formal farewell was by Rear Admiral Lawrence, Head of Navy Engineering. Commodore Ottaviano (Director General Navy Logistics) and Commodore Dagg (DG Engineering) attended, along with staff from my own area.
I may have earlier mentioned an Australia Day Medallion.
Today I received a Defence Long Service Medal with first clasp (for twenty years) and the Australian Defence Medal (well in theory - the ADM is still in the mail) and a Gold Service Medallion (85mm diameter, in its own polished wooden case) for service from 1970 to 2019.
More relevantly, a Chocolate Mud cake with a photograph of NSW 3801 printed on the top.
