At this time per a close friend who works for the UP in the steam program. The plan is for 3985 to be eventually restored to running condition once they finally finish figuring out what all is needed to get her back into the same shape as 844 and 4014 were restored to. To call her a basket case is an understatement. Her overhaul that restored her to operation in the 80s was a slap a bandage on multiple problems and then keep applying to keep her running. This is according to our friend who is at the shop. So far here’s a short list of what’s been found. Unacceptable material used to repair the boiler itself staybolts made with uncertified materials. Firebox is below minimum requirements this is a short list. Think of what was found on the 844 and according to our friend multiply it by 5 and you are going to get close. It’s all fixable but going to cost more than what the Big Boy did by at least 50 to 70 percent.
I don’t THINK UP has in their mind plans to ever have more than two steamers operable at one time. I really think having the 844 & 4014 opeating together in 2019 for the Golden Spike tour was probably the last time there will even be two operating at the same time.
The costs of keeping any of the three engines in legal operating condition just show how much cost was wrapped up in operating steam engines during the transition from steam to diesel. Fuel costs per ton-mile between the two forms of motive power may have been comparable - but the costs of continuing maintenance were heavily in favor of diesels.
If anything was once made by man - it can be remade, the only question is at what cost.
Story from Ed Dickens was that UP did not want to spend the (colossal) amount to renew 3985 to full audited quality. I do not find this surprising – nor would I find it surprising that UP won’t spend a not-inconsiderable amount just to ‘plinth’ 3985 for static display.
My suspicion is that all the pieces are being carefully preserved and that the locomotive will be rebuilt at some future time as needed. One thing I think is reasonably assured: it won’t be scrapped.
Further to what Overmod said, UP outlined the official status of 3985 in one of the regular steam club newsletters a year or two ago. I don’t know of any newer updates, and as far as I know the locomotive remains stored indoors in Cheyenne.
Union Pacific has donated 3985, 5511 (2-10-2), 6936 (DDA40X), 966B (E9B shell/steam generator car), eight passenger cars and a caboose to the Railroading Heritage of Midwest America group.
RRHMA is better known for operating Milwaukee 261 and recently acquiring the massive former NRE and Rock Island shop complex in Silvis, Illinois.
RRHMA has already announced that they will be bringing both 5511 and 3985 back to life again. They know they have a friendly railroad in the Iowa Interstate plus are close to Chicago so any excursions they announce for 3985 will be a success. Plus they have enough slower speed track for 5511 to run on.
While I’m happy to see these getting a good home, it’s sad to see the Centennial go. While I sadly understood the Big Boy sidelining the 3985, I was hoping the 6936 might return to service once the Big Boy had been restored.
Perhaps there’s hope at least for the three E9’s if they’re being retained. Too bad that E8 #928 isn’t officially UP property since she needs a good home as well.
I suppose this means no museum in Cheyenne? UP had seemed to be moving towards that direction, with I believe the intention being that it would be housed in the roundhouse while the backshop would be used by the steam crew.
Now we know why they wanted Silvis. They’ll have a lot more equipment to display and work on. I just sincerely hope that they have the volunteer base to handle their rapid expansion.
“RRHMA plans to repaint and redecorate the business cars into their historic WP and SP liveries and offer them for charter on Amtrak and private trips. Most of the remaining cars will be repainted in RRHMA’s Milwaukee Road colors.”
(I imagine the E-9B will be decorated to match the E-9A unit recently decorated with a modified Milwaukee Road scheme.)
“RRHMA will first restore No. 3985, which last operated in 2010, with No. 5511 to be restored after work on 3985 is complete.”
“Open houses at Silvis to see the equipment will be scheduled in the future.”
While it appears that the equipment has gone to a ‘good home’. My concern is if the good home will have or be able to develop the financial resources that will be necessary to pull off their intentions with the equipment. Restoring locomotives to legal operating condition is not a inexpensive undertaking. I suspect the reason UP has donated the equipment was that they didn’t want to make the necessary expenditures to get the equipment to legally operable condition.
At least they are giving them to a good home that won’t ‘plinth’ them cold indefinitely… which is everything UP would consider over at least the next few years.
I agree completely. I think this is great news even if it saddens me to see the Centennial depart permanently as part of the heritage fleet and the door closed to the 3985 returning as part of the steam program.
I had hoped 10-15 years down the road that they’d consider reversing her retirement and rebuild her in preparation of one of the others going down for overhaul. Then cycle a fleetmate out of service for a long-term overhaul and rinse and repeat the process indefinitely with two steamers on the active roster and the third under overhaul.
I wonder if there are eventual plans for a happy ending for the 838. Would be great to see her restored as a static display one day when she’s finished as a parts source, although even that won’t be an insignificant task with how picked over she is. Hopefully they’ve had the foresight to hold on to some of the 844’s worn out parts like her side rods that were replaced by parts off the 838, to make the job easier.