Train Routes/Prices West Coast (Seattle) to Chicago

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Re “berths” I mixed up terms, sorry. Berths are indeed beds; a typical “section” had two berths, upper and lower. Most travellers paying for a berth would have been in an open section.

For example, according to my old Walthers “Passenger Car Plans” book, the heavyweight GN Empire Builder would typically have as it’s full sleeping cars a 16-section “tourist” sleeper, a 14-section sleeper, a “12-and-1” (12 open sections, one drawing room), and an 8-1-2 (8 sections, 1 drawing room, 2 compartments) sleeper. So for these four you’d have 50 open sections, each with two berths, so 100 total; then two drawing rooms and two compartments. (I believe the Solarium Observation car would add several compartments and or drawing rooms.)

The Summer 2017 Mainstreeter (Northern Pacific Hist. Soc. magazine) has an article by Mike Martin called “MacFarlane’s Gamble”, referring to the risk NP took by spending a lot of money to upgrade the post-war North Coast Limited to a streamliner. A couple of interesting points:

“(T)he Great Northern and the Milwaukee Road competed with the Northern Pacific for the Chicago - Twin Cities - Seattle passenger market.” “Because rates were tightly regulated by the Interstate Commerce Commission, all fares were about equal…and by gentleman’s agreement, all three competitors operated on an admittedly slow 45-hour schedule between St.Paul and Seattle.”

“All three railroads had a flagship train plus a secondary mail train over their respective transcontinental routes.” “All three operated their trains with generally heavyweight equipment and steam power.”

He notes that after WW2, GN and the Milwaukee upgraded to a 39-1/2 hour schedule, that required the NP to decide if it wanted to upgrade and compete or not.

Found this cutaway of a 1920 Pullman car - note towards the middle the open sections

It was quite a trick to dress and undress in an upper berth! The wise upper-berth traveler packed presentable pajamas and did the change in the lounge section of the men’s restroom, which was large enough for the purpose with the sink located there, and the facility itself in a closet-like annex. It was also the location where one could smoke when the car was made up for day service and no smoking permitted in the open sections.

The last time I enjoyed the privilege of sleeping in an upper berth was one on the narrow gauge Newfie Bullet on a Kleibolt arranged excursion from Chicago around November 1967. Used an upper going to St. Johns and a lower returning. On the Ocean Limited both ways and on the International both ways, roomettes. Parlor seats bettwen Toronto and Montreal.

Used lower berths going to and from summer camp as a youngster 1938 - 1943. 1944 and 1945 wartime restrictions made coach travel mandatory. 1948 again a lower berth going. Business travel usually meant roomettes, but did use the New Haven’s dollar-saver-sleeper lower berths on occasion between Boston and New York, including the first leg of my first trip to Israel in March 1960 (Air France 707 to Paris, rail to Rome, El Al Brittania to Lod Airport.)

Dave- Q? How on earth do you recall all of this in such detail? It’s amazing really. I took many rail trips but going back that far it’s all a blur…there are certain snippets I remember of course …same with your outstanding detailed recollection of streetcar routes throughout the land. One lucky fella I tell you!

Only time I ever had an upper was in 2004 on the Empire State Express and the track was so rough East of Cleveland that I was almost thrown out and was hanging on like crazy several times, all that in the middle of the night. That’s about all I recall abd that wasn’t that long ago!