Atlas..is it really cheaper? Newbie question

Seems to me that by the time you add cork base and more ballast, Kato and Atlas may be pretty similar in price. The flexibility, appearance, and adaptability of Atlas is another story, of course. But strictly on price, is there a big difference , all in?

it’s hard for me to imagine doing a layout with sectional track.

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What @gregc said plus appearance. “Actual” ballast looks so much better, IMO, than molded plastic ballast.

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I’m using HO for this comparison, but it is similar for N.

A cork base is not strictly necessary. But if you want it, it is often $1 a yard. Maybe $2 if you only need a small quantity so buy it individually. 3ft of Atlas flextrack is $8. A thing of ballast might be $10, but it will go much much further than 3ft. So ~$10.

According to my calculations, a straight Kato Unitrack for 3ft is ~$9. But remember, you don’t have the flexibility here, so you’ll be forced to have more leftovers and build your layout around available track geometries, which adds cost. With flextrack, you can limit leftover pieces since you can reuse them anywhere – not so with roadbed-combo track. Those extra costs are not included.

Then there are the non-cost things to account: far greater flexibility with Atlas (literally – flextrack is something I couldn’t imagine making a layout without anymore. If you’re not doing a temporary layout, I personally don’t see a reason to use sectional track.), better look and scenic options, and far more options in the long run should you want to change or update something. Whether those matter to you is up for you to decide. Personally, even if it is $1 more per 3ft, the flexibility is well-worth that and is ultimately cheaper in the long run.

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Welcome aboard, @Elephant

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Well it depends on what you use for roadbed and ballast. Kato is a fixed cost. But if you bulk buy cork and cut it yourself you might be able to save some money. Use something other than small packages of model railroad ballast.

What it really comes down to, is what you want to do. If you want the ease of using Kato or other sectional track then go ahead. You can always fill in special places with some flex track/roadbed/ballast if needed.

Even though I use flex track I keep some rail and ties on hand. Because some places are easier with hand laid track.

Paul

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I have been told over and over by other model railroaders; Rule #1: It’s your railroad, do what you want to!

But, full disclosure, I like flex track and the actual ballast. :man_shrugging:

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I prefer Atlas True Track code 65 for my N scale layout. Track is track, pretty much.

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Which is why I use Atlas N scale code 65 and add my own ballast over it.

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I’ve used both, don’t know in the end if there’s really much difference in price. Comes down more to ease of construction and easy reliable operation with Kato. Don’t have to worry about the subroadbed warping and kinking the track, no electrical problems. Plus, with flat-top benchwork, you can try out an idea and see if it works before making it permanent. I’ve had several situations where I was able to easily correct a problem with Kato track that would have been a chore with glued-down cork and flextrack.

Appearance in either is how much you want to put into it. Flex track with black ties and shiny rails and gray monotone ballast isn’t especially realistic. With Unitrack, I like to color the sides of the rails with Neo-Lube (from the Micro-Mark catalogue) which gives the rails a flat dark gray color. Then I paint some of the ties brown and ‘rail tie brown’ (which is more of a dark gray). A wash of water/alcohol and a little black paint or India ink can make the Kato ballast look much better.

BTW not sure of your scale, but Kato HO Unitrack has code 83 rails that are very thin - I can use code .088 ‘semi-scale’ wheels with no problem. The rails are about half as wide as Atlas code 83, Walthers is about half-way between the two.

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A few cents from an old school modeler…
If you are building a realistic model railroad, its flex track, roadbed, and ballast or “lay your own”.
If you a building a toy train layout (ala Lionel / Flyer / Marx), then sectional track is the way to go.
I realize many folks do use Kato Unitrack, but the end result is - IMO - just not comparable to flex track, roadbed, and ballast.

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I give Atlas code 65 True Track the edge for my layout (N scale) since it includes a nice and realistic ballast bed that you can add your own ballast on top of. My layout goes through some rolling hills of Piedmont Georgia, so the track does need some lift on my particular layout. Atlas code 65 True Track does this quite nicely/uniformly.

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I do find the Atlas code 65 True Track to be realistic.

I’d say there’s a pretty big difference between Lionel O track with three big tinplate rails and very few ties compared to Unitrack HO with near-scale width code 83 rail, ties with woodgrain detail, and ballast that can be added to and colored to make it even more realistic.

When I started in the hobby (1971), “serious” model railroaders hand-laid track (code 100) on wood ties. Flex track was seen as maybe a tiny step above Atlas snap-track - both were really just for beginners or kids…“toy train layouts” as it were.

I do think since the OP calls themselves a “newbie”, they might be better with Kato or one of the other “click tracks”. I have to wonder how many folks tried model railroading but quit because of the difficulty of doing the cork - track - ballast set-up.

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Exactly. Sectional track like Atlas True Track code 65 is great for layouts that are going to be based in a bit of a hilly or more vigorous terrain. It saves a lot of hassle.

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Just a minor linguistic point…“sectional track” usually refers to model track that has ties and rail, made to specific length straights and curve radii. Atlas Snap-Track for example. Normally, one would lay cork or other roadbed for the track to rest on, and add ballast to it.

Track made with an integral ballast strip under the ties (whether it’s meant to actually represent ballast, like Kato or Atlas, or made to be ballasted over, like Bachmann), is generally called “click track”, since the track pieces click together to make a solid connection.

Since the OP is a self-described “newbie”, I would recommend click track. Note too that in N scale, Kato has a huge array of different Unitrack pieces - wood or concrete ties, single and double track, crossings, crossovers, even curved piece with built-in superelevation.

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Like I wrote, I’m an “old school” modeler. Sometimes I fail to realize its a totally new world out there, in so many aspects.

That said, I do subscribe to the mantra…“It’s my railroad and I’ll do what I want”. So whatever anybody does is just fine, and know that I do appreciate that they are in the hobby!

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Being an old school American Flyer guy as a kid, I used American Flyer track on a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood on my basement floor.

When I transitioned into HO scale in 2004 after a long layoff, I used sectional track on a 4x 8 sheet of plywood on four 2 x 4 legs, no ballast or scenery.

Then, I got serious and built a larger layout with Atlas flex track, Woodland Scenics foam roadbed and ballast, and finished it with ground cover and some trees and bushes.

Later, I built an even bigger layout with yards and sidings with flex track, cork roadbed, real stone ballast, lots of realistic scenery and a fully prototypical look and design.

No serious modeler is going to use sectional track, fake ballast, etc. mainly because it doesn’t look prototypical and it is too restrictive. But, there is room for everybody, at all skill levels in this hobby, from newbies to experienced modelers to seasoned veterans.

In the end, Rule #1 does apply.

Rich

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Ya but there’s that attitude again that I think can cripple our hobby…‘us “serious” model railroaders do blah-blah-blah and everyone else is just playing with toy trains’. I think Atlas track, with it’s super-wide ties, super-wide rails, and big nails in the middle of the ties, doesn’t look all that realistic - even if you’re not using “fake” ballast (which I assume means you’re using actual crushed rock?).

I find Unitrack less restrictive actually. Someone glues down cork roadbed, glues track on top of it, then ballasts it…then realizes it would work much better if the track were 2" farther from the edge of the backdrop. Gonna take a lot of work to tear all that up and start over. With Unitrack you can try everything out first, and only make it permanent when you’re sure it’s right.

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Nope, I was referring to Unitrack.

Didn’t say that. It’s not an attitude, it’s a distinction between “serious modelers” - - that is, those of us who are trying to replicate the prototype in some way and those of us who simply enjoy “running trains”. It’s not meant as an indictment of anyone in the hobby who is not a rivet counter.

As I said previously, there is room for everybody, at all skill levels, in this hobby from newbies to experienced modelers to seasoned veterans. The notion that newbies exit the hobby or never even take up the hobby because of elitist attitudes is simply not true. How would anyone even know that to be true unless a survey were taken? Seasoned modelers is a reference to those of us who take up the hobby and take it to a higher level. That happens in every hobby and, for that matter, every sport and every endeavor. It is simply a progression by those with more intense interest as opposed to those with more casual interest.

Rich

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